Cray51

Yea I don't disagree that the Bills didnt get much from their rookies. Bishop did have 10 tackles in the AFC Championship game, but injuries really derailed these guys. It's funny about your last comment, you list 3 guys that were all picked before we went....

Maybe they are better with a healthy Bishop/Carter/Coleman, who all faced major injuries this past season (and might be a reason why our conditioning coach was fired)

Everything seems so much easier in hindsight doesn’t it… and btw, I was a guy clamoring to move up for BTJ by giving up our first this year back before the draft. I can have opinions that differ from what the Bills did, but also callout the realistic scenarios that Beane faces. My initial point doesn’t change, Beane would have taken on incredible risk trading up and giving a haul for BTJ. which btw, Bishop led the team with 10 tackles in the Championship game. If Thomas gets 70 yards, but we lose in another shootout because we have an off the streets guy playing safety since Rapp it out, are we sitting here saying “why didn’t Beane trade back from 28, take McConkey and Bullock??!!” I 100% bet there are posters that would have.

Says me? Or says the fact that no one could trade up to 23 from 28 or on. Jacksonville had already traded down from 17, and weren’t fielding offers. So that means you need to trade to 22, where the Eagles GM said they were targeting Mitchell and weren’t trading the pick. So then it’s 21, where Miami wanted Chop Robinson and weren’t trading back. So then it’s 20, where the Steelers picked OT and their GM said they had a very high grade on Fatanau. So now it’s 19 where the Rams took Verse, who they loved. so realistically, they would have had to trade from 28-18 IF the team wanted to. That’s costing you what - 28 + a second this year plus another second? Now we don’t have pick 28, pick 60, pick 95 (received in a trade back) and no Bills second this year… you can see why it’s not just me saying this trade up wasn’t happening

Adonai who had character concerns and had a worse year than Coleman for the Colts? your point here is that there was ONE available X guy after Coleman, who carries heavy baggage, doesn’t block as well on the edge, and had a worse year, but would have been the better selection? I’m not sure this is too sound of reasoning. Kincaid last year set a TE receptions record. He had knee and ligament issues this year. Let’s give him another year to see if he can be that 1,000 yard TE.

It has been stated before, there wasn’t a chance to move up regardless of interest. The teams that were in picks 17-24 were all focused on needs that were filled by the players selected at those spots. to move up for Thomas Jr, you are probably sending our second and 28 plus a 4th this year and I’m still not sure Jacksonville would accept. the draft fell too well for teams picking in that spot for them to consider a trade down

Dont bring reason into this, people are just mad the Bills didn't select the best players drafted after them.

The point is you are putting a $10 Burger against a $5 Burger but not factoring in price. If the Bills had pick 22, they take BTJ and our offense is completely different. We didnt have the opportunity to because we were 28th. There isn't a boundary receiver as good as BJT after he was selected. Zero. If we have BJT taken at 22 and are sitting there with picks 50 and 53, maybe they move up to draft Dejean. But to simply go "The Eagles drafted well and the Bills didn't" without acknowledging the context of their draft is silly. You take Worthy you can't get Carter (regardless of how you feel you dont get that 3rd round pick). And I'm not convinced Worthy is better than Coleman. You take Ladd and you give ABSOLUTELY zero boundary threat (I really like Ladd, but he is a pure slot guy) Bullock is a good pick, we missed on him. I'm hopeful about Bishop however. The Chargers had the worst boundary receivers in the league and still played Ladd at slot. We are going to disagree here. If Ladd was a capable boundary guy they would have used him there more. He is a GREAT slot guy, but he hasn't shown in the NFL an ability at the boundary.

Worthy is not foundational McConkey is a pure slot option and the Bills clearly wanted a vertical threat (I'm not sure that Coleman is much better on the boundary, but that's another conversation). Fiske is a good player for sure Dejean also a good player Lassiter is good, but not foundational IMO. So from my view, the drop off from truly foundational guys (BTJ, Mitchell, Alt, Nabers, Bowers, Alt) to the guys you mentioned is totally a decent gap. You mentioned some good players and guys who may become pro bowlers to legit pro bowlers as rookies who have All Pro potential.

No, I'm saying while the Eagles absolutely hit on their top two picks, you can't DIRECTLY compare to the Bills situation. If the Bills have pick 22, they are probably taking BTJ, who had 1204 yards as a rookie. Instead they had pick 28, and moved back because they didnt love any of the WR available. When the Eagles are picking earlier in the round, they have a higher chance at taking a better player. I dont know why that's such a crazy concept so many seem to misunderstand. They picked Dejean at 40, we take Bishop at 60. Do you think an early 2nd and a late 2nd are the same player? Hunt is a decent pick, but he only played 41% of snaps because the starters came out in the 4th. You asked to compare the Eagles draft class to the Bills - I did. The Eagles first 3 picks were taken on average 11 selections before the Bills were. I'm not saying the Bills drafted better than the Eagles, I'm saying the Eagles drafted well, while also getting to select players earlier. You are the one who asked for a review of the Eagles draft class. Dont laugh at what you asked for...

Eagles: Pick 22 - Quinyon Mitchell. Maybe the Bills take him if they were picking at 22. Eagles weren't trading back, so it's a moot point to try to say the Bills could have had a player like Mitchell at 28. It wasn't happening. Pick 40 - Cooper Dejean. Good player, Eagles traded up for him. I think he is a good safety/corner hybrid who will play for a long time. Bills could have taken him at 33, but that would have left NOTHING at receiver at pick 60. Good player though After this, they have Hunt (who is unproven), Shipley is a nothing player, Smith is a nothing player, Trotter Jr. has some upside, and depth o-line potentially. Eagles top 2 picks played well. Their combined draft position is 62 to the Bill's 92. They have essentially a half of a round of improvement on their picks compared to Buffalo. That is very important when we consider evaluating these guys.

Hurting your hand/wrist will factor into your ability to produce. Prior to his injury, Coleman was pacing for 800 yards and 6 TDs as a rookie. That's QUITE good, and would have put him above Odunze and right around MHJ for rookie production. Bills need to hope he returns to that first half of the year form. If he does, he is plenty productive, especially given the draft position.

Washington had the second overall pick, and 4 picks before we picked Bishop. Of course Daniels was great, he was the #1 QB in the draft. Their second round pick at 36th overall Newton had 19 tackles and 2 sacks, where DeWayne Carter had 14 tackles and 5 TFLs Sainristril was a decent corner this year, but was picked 10 picks before Bishop, and Sinnot their TE had 5 catches all year (pick 56)... Washington's draft hit because of Daniels. The rest of their selections are VERY VERY average. When you look at the draft, honestly it just doesn't look like a great depth class. Two players over 5 sacks, highest tackler had 62 tackles, Ray Davis was the third most productive RB, and only one player drafted after Keon had more yards, which was Ladd. And Ladd plays slot only. It was a top heavy draft that provided some great players (Daniels, Bowers, Nabers, BJT, Alt), but really cools off after pick 25. If Bishop can turn into a starting Safety, and Grable/Davis/Coleman become decent starters, that will probably be a good result given the class.

If you get DK for a 2 and a 5, and you turn around and get Miles for 1,2,1 next year… you will end up letting Shakir and likely Rousseau walk the next season and you take comp picks that are probably pretty good as you look towards 2026 to restock.

If you could bring DK in, with an extension (I would assume he would want $25M+ a year...) for 4-5 years that brings his cap down, I would consider our 2nd and a 5th. Can't make that scenario happen? You pass and try to find another way to improve the WR room.

He just had his most efficient season at 28 years old. He isn’t Newton where his body is already showing signs of breaking down. He is extending his mental game and it’s creating new ways that he can win. he may have 5 seasons left of “wow” plays, but he has 10 seasons left of winning ability IMO

I agree to an extent, but who do you select over these guys that are the "elite" players? 2024: Coleman over Worthy (overhyped and is not elite) and McConkey (Slot guy ONLY, dont mistake it). Could have taken Braden Fiske, but I'm sure Bills fans would have loved drafted a 24 year old to the line with our first pick... 2023: Kincaid over who - Bresee out of New Orleans? Laporta sure, but even he had a very pedestrian season this year. Nobody selected after him is really an "Elite" player at a position of need 2022: Elam is a bust - Karlaftis would have been a good selection, however that would have been 3 straight d-line selections. Fair criticisms 2021: Greg was the best selection with what was left. Maybe you could pick Landon Dickerson over him, but then we went and selected Brown in the 3rd round who is an elite tackle (or just under elite) 2020: Pick traded for an elite player 2019: Oliver was the consensus pick at #9. He is a fine pick for 9th overall, but there are guys who have had better careers. Hardly a terrible pick, just not the right one with hindsight 2018: Drafts Allen, enough said. I've done deep analysis on Beane's drafting in comparison to other GMs, he is just under the best of the best (Roseman and Newsom/Decosta). There are criticisms, however it's a lot easier to say "we should have just drafted elite players" than actually in the moment doing it. There is a reason we seem to only lose to the Chiefs every year, we are REALLY good, but its fair to point at a few situations where we didn't maximize value.

Not excuses, context. If you take a single statement and assume that's the entire point or context of a view on our head coach, that's a little shortsighted. Sean's role is different and his impacts (which may have a tangent line to the scenarios that I originally commented on) as a Head Coach are more around the managerial focuses of the team. Making sure timeouts are used effectively, managing high level strategies, etc. Specific play calls are not part of Sean's role, as Babich and Brady have taken them over.

I think there is fair criticism around "does McD bring in the right assistants". Which I can see, as McD has chosen to go with younger assistants that he believes will grow into their role. Unfortunately, a win-now situation with Allen, so when Babich or Brady make bad moves related to inexperience, McD is partially to blame. I agree - no pitchforks from you. I just wanted to share that some of these things that were weird can be tied to actions from the coordinators - which can be traced back to Sean, but maybe not a clear direct line if that makes sense

I expect Smoot and Johnson to get 1 year offers from Beane, they were active most weeks and had some success. I dont expect Phillips or Jefferson back. I agree that 2 guys will get signed, and I expect a day 2 pick (at least one) to be used on d-line.

Kelce was bad during the Super Bowl, and was trying to complain about it to Mahomes on the sideline. I immediately thought of Diggs talking to Allen during the Bengals game and Allen just looking past him. Mahomes was the same way just saying "I got it" over and over again. Kelce 1000000% planned to win the Super Bowl, get Taylor down on the field, and propose with a billion cameras around. I think his body is starting to break down, and I dont think he has anything close to pro bowl ability after this season. I would prefer he not retire, as he carries a huge cap next year ($19M I think). Make the Chiefs deal with his old ass

Depth on O-line is one of the best parts of this team. We may see guys like Andersson, Grable, Van Demark, SGP step up and take spots from Edwards and McGovern over the next few years. Beane has done a really solid job (along with Kromer)

Cook is worth $12M to this offense, and I'd push for that amount to see if Cook would sign. The cap is consistently going up, so maybe after this year $15M is the new $12M... However I do feel we have the flexibility to pay him 13-15M if that's what it takes to get it done. Cook is the most intriguing situation for this year - I go back and forth on re-signing him often.

Worthy continues to struggle getting off the line and being anything other than 1) A screen/sweep option and 2) Deep threat coverage breaker. That's not bad - and I dont think he is a waste, but he scored on a busted play where Mahomes made magic happen, and a deep shot against backups in garbage time. I think he can be a Hollywood Brown type impact, 900 yards and 4-7 TDs in a good year. But I haven't seen anything that would point to 1,200 yards Tyreek Hill level talent. The one thing I will say, he looks to be a gamer. I was worried he would lose confidence when matchups wouldn't go his way, but he seems to be a confident guy who can handle those struggles. Rice didnt play all year and has had legal problems, we call that the Von Miller special... Rice is going to be suspended for a portion of next year too, and you don't even know if he will be back to 100%. McDuffie was a great pick, and the Chiefs did a great job there. With that said, they are losing talent this year. They have $11M in cap, with little restructure ability (can free up maybe another $25M, but not much else), and have GLARING holes at LT and WR. They have Bolton, Reid, Hollywood Brown, Hopkins, Hardmen, Trey Smith, their LG (now that Thuney is at LT), Wharton, Omenihu all UFAs. They are a great organization - they will replace guys, but they are going to lose talent. I don't see them at 15 wins next year unless they expend draft capital or sign vet guys to one year deals who want to try to win.