Chaos

In bounds you are correct because the play is not over. Out of bounds the play is over the first moment the player touches out of bounds. It analogous to the ball breaking the he plane is the goal line. The play ends at that point.

One the runner is “down” with possession it is logically for the play to end. In Poyers case he has possession in bounds and the moment his first foot touched out of bounds he still had possession and was “down”. Play should be deemed complete as soon as he is down. The rule should be “possession surviving until down”

That can't be right.

If Brown plays much expect to see Diggs in the slot a lot.

The first NFL hurdle made Diggs want to be a Bill. Single most consequential POSITIVE play in franchise history.

When did Brady win with an oline the quality of the Bills current online?

Have we really clearly hit on cornerback besides Tre White? I reallize our defensive scheme overall has led to pretty nice stats. But is seems more scheme driven than individual talents.

I know people don't love PFF, but their power ratings generally align pretty well with betting lines. This is how they rank the three teams in question.

Niether the giants or Wft would be favored against the patriots

Its a bit absurd to call that irrational.

Please explain what "irrational aversion" you think he has.

Whats Lamar afraid of?

difference between 2nd seed and fifth seed is pretty big

Maybe we will be playing the Vikings. The curse ends for someone.

Your girlfriend sounds like a lucky woman.

The Ravens gave up a second. If they don't resign Smith, they will get a third round comp pick. So they basically got Smith for a swap of a second for a third. Bears were not going to give up the third round comp pick, so they could get a fourth round pick from anyone.

Dan Reeves coached Elway for nine years without winning one. It took two coaching changes (to W. Phillips, then M. Shanahan) to finally get the winning combo. Reeves/Elway seems like a reasonable comp to McDermott/Allen to worry about. Manning needed the change from Mora to Dungy to win. Brees actually won the third year he was a starter paired with Sean Payton. New Orleans did not need to wait long.

This is a reasonable view. Not perfectly aligned with my own, but very reasonable none the less. At this point, I thing it is arguable that Josh Allen is already among the best three QBs to never win a Super Bowl (along with Jim Kelly and Dan Marino). Hopefully that changes in a couple of months.

The Marv Levy led Bills were true contenders to win the Super Bowl. I know this because they played in the Super Bowl. I am not really sure you are a true Super Bowl contender if you never actually make it to the game. One can make the philosophical argument that all 32 teams are Super Bowl contenders every year, but that seems to miss the spirit of what most would mean by that expression.

at the 153 voter marked, i am a bit surprised by the results. 50% think only winning the super bowl is a successful season and 80% plus think a successful season requires playing in the Super Bowl. Both of those results are higher than I would have guessed.

You should start your own better question poll.

So don't troll. And stop being stupid. Problem solved.

A 61 year sample, suggests is pretty significant and is a bit silly to dismiss as "coincidence". In this case it actually goes past correlation and advances to causation. When NFL owners have their Franchise QB in place, they don't often give coaches many many years to get the team a championship. As my first post said quite clearly, "past is not prologue". But ignoring history as irrelevant rarely serves anyone well. Only 23 Franchises have won Super Bowls. 25 % of those teams won after making a coaching change, after the Franchise QB was in place: Miami Dolphins draft Bob Griese #4 overall in 1967. By 1970, team moves on from HC George Wilson to Don Shula. By 1972 they win the championship. Washington Redskins. Joe Theisman becomes the Redskins starting QB in 1978. Redskins move on from seven year tenured George Allen, and name Jack Pardee as coach. Pardee let go after three seasons. Joe Gibbs comes in and delivers a championship in year 3 New York Giants: Phill Simms drafted in 1979. Plays under Ray Perkins without significant team success until 1982. Bill Parcells comes in in 1983. Championship delivered by 1986. Denver Broncos. Hired Dan Reeves in 1981. Drafted John Elway in 1983. Stuck with Reeves until 1992 without ever winning a championhsip. Replaced Reeves with Wade Phillips. Phillips got 3 seasons until 1994, without winning a championship. Went to Mike Shanahan, who brought home the Championship with John Elway in 1997. The 11 year no championship run with Reeves is a model teams most don't seem to want to replicate. Indianapolis Colts - Peyton Manning drafted in 1998. Jim Mora is the head coach. Has a 13-3 season in 1999. Lost in the playoffs. Let go after the 2001 season. Tony Dungy brought in. Delivers championship in year 4. Green Bay Packers - Packers had both Brett Farve and Aaron Rodgers on their roster from 2000-2006 and were coached by Mike Sherman with some success. But the Packers went in a different direction in 2006 and replaced Sherman with Mike McCarthy. by 2008, Aarron Rodgers was the starter, and in his third season as a starter the packers hoisted the Lombardi trophy. These are the stories of teams who made a coaching change after the franchise QB was in place, and won the Super Bowl. Of course the story of the winners doesn't tell the story of the teams who never won. Along with Dan Reeves, Marty Shottenheimer, Jeff Fisher, and Marvin Lewis provide the cautionary tales of the downside of coaching "continuity".

The Miami game was callled out, because that is the main reason we don't lead the division now. At the time it was less consequential.

Some sacks do result in fumbles.