Chaos

I am going to say Chiefs

It’s called no pressure defense

It pains me to say this. We need Edmunds back.

I don't put myself through hell at all. So I agree with your comment.

I don't follow the Brown's as closely, and trust you are correct, and have bet accordingly. I fear Nick Chubb. But the Bills may score 40.

Awful of lot of assuming on your part bud.

It tells the story of the teams that WIN the super bowl. Yes the most common patterns for the teams that WIN the super bowl are A) 1)teams find franchise QB 2) Team has/finds coach that clicks with franchise QB 3) win Super Bowl during first four years of the combo B) 1)Teams find franchise QB 2)Coach does NOT win with QB after several seasons) 3)team fires coach 4) Team finds coach who clicks with franchise QB 5) Team wins super bowl during first four years of new combo What has happened only once in the Super Bowl era (1978 Madden/Stabler). C) 1)Team Finds with Franchise QB, 2) Team sticks with Coach Franchise QB combo more than five years. 3)Team wins super bowl. Past is not prologue. Anything in the future is possbible. But the facts of what happened in the past are what they are. NOTE: I realize many fans feel that all but the 78 Raiders won the super bowl the wrong way.

Ignorance is bliss as they say.

Winning today is critical. A loss today raises the real spectre of actually misssing the playoffs. The way the AFC is split between good and bad teams, it is possible an 11-6 team misses the playoffs. 10-7 almost certainly misses in the AFC. The Bills have four divisional games remaining: 2 against the patriots who we rarely sweep, 2 against teams who already beat us this season. All of these teams are hungry and in the playoff hunt. Going two and two out of these four is the most likely scenario. This means we can't lose any of our other four games. Our other four games are against the Browns, Lions, Bears and Bengals. Browns are a terrible matchup for the Bills. The Bengals are defending AFC champions who are dangerous on any given Sunday. A loss tomorrow to the Browns will be devastating. As they say D-Day was a must win, this is just a football game. But if the Bills lose today, the path to a championship becomes very narrow. If the Bills win today, it will still be a slog to get home.

Quoted for idiocy.

Just to be clear, the stat is for FIRST super bowl together. Obviously, Bradshaw/Noll, Montana/Walsh, Brady Belicheck and a couple of others went on to later championships. You may or may not realize that Reid was fired along the way. And the team that fired him won a super bowl before he did. Winning a super bowl does not even necessarily generate guaranteed employment in the NFL. Ron Rivera, Doug Pederson, and MIke McCarthy are current coaches who were all fired by their teams after post-super bowl failures. Rivera could not replicate the magic he found with Newton. Rodgers himself decided McCarthy was wasting his talents. And Green Bay concurred. Its hard to stay employed as a coach in the NFL.

Fair point

I was attempting to evaluate the patterns of the winners.

Not sue it is weird. It seems to indicate that when owners think they have a potential Super Bowl winning QB they only wait about 1/3 of said QBs career before trying another route.

Bills will abandon the nickel dime strategy and sell out to stop the run. Brissett has a career day and passes for 350. Frazier refuses to adjust and speaks proudly about the Bills holding Chubb to under 50.

The combos shown in yellow are where the QB started before the coach. The ones in orange are where the QB and Coach started same season (far more common than I would have guessed). Its fairly clear that new head coaches with established franchise QBs have IN THE PAST won more super bowls than teams sticking with a coach for many years, one the QB is place.

This was the most highly anticipated Bills season in a generation. Expectations were high. Having three lossess to 2 rookie and 1 second year head coach, at least in part due to poor coaching decisions, is clearly the biggest disappointment so far. 0-2 in the division is a nightmare. Nothing over the course of the last two years suggests that game time coaching blunders will all of sudden stop. And now the head coach is signalling he will be finger pointing to deflect blame (McDermott's passive agressive comments about Allen after the Vikings loss, his passive agressive comments about Tre White). The way the AFC is split between good and bad teams, it is possible an 11-6 team misses the playoffs. 10-7 almost certainly misses in the AFC. The Bills have four divisional games remaining: 2 against the patriots who we rarely sweep, 2 against teams who already beat us this season. All of these teams are hungry and in the playoff hunt. Going two and two out of these four is the most likely scenario. This means we can't lose any of our other four games. Our other four games are against the Browns, Lions, Bears and Bengals. Browns are a terrible matchup for the Bills. The Bengals are defending AFC champions who are dangerous on any given Sunday. A loss tomorrow to the Browns will be devastating. As they say D-Day was a must win, this is just a football game. But if the Bills lose tomorrow, the path to a championship becomes very narrow. If the Bills win tomorrow, it will still be a slog to get home. There is certainly hope but the team is a true inflection point over the next 6 days. Two wins will help alot.

It seems most people have this vision of a slow grind of building a team and then advancing step by step through the years. In real life, it is more like catching lightning in a bottle. In the NFL the lightning is getting the right Starting QB / HC combo. During the super bowl era, this is a list of how long each Starting QB/HC combo was together before winning their first champhionship together. A couple of notes, Lombardi/Starr won NFL championships together before the Super Bowl era. Stram/Dawson's first championship together was an AFL championship Next, a review of this list makes a strong case that Joe Gibbs is the greatest coach in NFL history. The mean average of time together before winning the first championship in the super bowl era is 2.5 Years. Only once were a coach and starting QB together for more than four years before winning their first championship together. (Ken Stabler/ John Madden in 1976). In terms of winning a championship, the Bills are in nearly uncharted waters vs history. Season QB-Coach Combo First Championship Together 1966 Bart Starr*MVP-Vince Lombardi Year 2 1967 Bart Starr*MVP-Vince Lombardi (2) Year 2 1968 Joe Namath*MVP-Weeb Ewbank Year 3 1969 Len Dawson*MVP-Hank Stram Year 1 1970 Johnny Unitas*-Don McCafferty Year 8 1971 Roger Staubach*MVP-Tom Landry Year 2 1972 Bob Griese*-Don Shula Year 3 1973 Bob Griese*-Don Shula (2) Year 3 1974 Terry Bradshaw*-Chuck Noll Year 4 1975 Terry Bradshaw*-Chuck Noll (2) Year 4 1976 Ken Stabler*-John Madden Year 6 1977 Roger Staubach*-Tom Landry (2) Year 2 1978 Terry Bradshaw*MVP-Chuck Noll (3) Year 4 1979 Terry Bradshaw*MVP-Chuck Noll (4) Year 4 1980 Jim PlunkettMVP-Tom Flores Year 1 1981 Joe Montana*MVP-Bill Walsh Year 3 1982 Joe Theismann-Joe Gibbs Year 2 1983 Jim Plunkett-Tom Flores (2) Year 1 1984 Joe Montana*MVP-Bill Walsh (2) Year 3 1985 Jim McMahon-Mike Ditka Year 4 1986 Phil SimmsMVP-Bill Parcells Year 3 1987 Doug WilliamsMVP-Joe Gibbs (2) Year 2 1988 Joe Montana*-Bill Walsh (3) Year 3 1989 Joe Montana*MVP-George Seifert Year 1 1990 Jeff Hostetler-Bill Parcells (2) Year 1 1991 Mark RypienMVP-Joe Gibbs (3) Year 4 1992 Troy Aikman*MVP-Jimmy Johnson Year 3 1993 Troy Aikman*-Jimmy Johnson (2) Year 3 1994 Steve Young*MVP-George Seifert (2) Year 3 1995 Troy Aikman*-Barry Switzer Year 2 1996 Brett Favre*-Mike Holmgren Year 3 1997 John Elway*-Mike Shanahan Year 3 1998 John Elway*MVP-Mike Shanahan (2) Year 3 1999 Kurt Warner*MVP-Dick Vermeil Year 2 2000 Trent Dilfer-Brian Billick Year 1 2001 Tom BradyMVP-Bill Belichick Year 2 2002 Brad Johnson-Jon Gruden Year 1 2003 Tom BradyMVP-Bill Belichick (2) Year 2 2004 Tom Brady-Bill Belichick (3) Year 2 2005 Ben Roethlisberger-Bill Cowher Year 2 2006 Peyton Manning*MVP-Tony Dungy Year 4 2007 Eli ManningMVP-Tom Coughlin Year 3 2008 Ben Roethlisberger-Mike Tomlin Year 2 2009 Drew BreesMVP-Sean Payton Year 3 2010 Aaron RodgersMVP-Mike McCarthy Year 3 2011 Eli ManningMVP-Tom Coughlin (2) Year 3 2012 Joe FlaccoMVP-John Harbaugh Year 4 2013 Russell Wilson-Pete Carroll Year 2 2014 Tom BradyMVP-Bill Belichick (4) Year 2 2015 Peyton Manning*-Gary Kubiak Year 1 2016 Tom BradyMVP-Bill Belichick (5) Year 2 2017 Nick FolesMVP-Doug Pederson Year 1 2018 Tom Brady-Bill Belichick (6) Year 2 2019 Patrick MahomesMVP-Andy Reid Year 2 2020 Tom BradyMVP-Bruce Arians Year 2 2021 Matthew Stafford-Sean McVay Year 1

Its not a point. The original post is just facts.

He has had a good impact on the franchise. My concern is that he is the Kirk Cousins of coaches. Better than obvious replacements, but not likely to win a championship.

I think its funny that people thumbs down or puke on the first post in the thread which expresses no opinions and simply lists out a series of facts. A lot of people don't like facts. In his current tenure Andy Reid got his first super bowl appearance quite early. Chiefs fans did not wait long.

This could be right. On the other hand a good percentage of the last several super bowls have been coaches new to their teams (McVay, Reid, Shanahan, Taylor). I do not think he ever did. Which is why I gave Mcdermott the plus sign designation in Marvin Lewis + . Norv Turner on the Chargers might be a better comp.

He seems on pass to be Marvin Lewis +

Just praising the Bills fans for their patience.

Only five NFL HC's have been with their current NFL teams longer than Sean McDermott. Andy Ried, Bill Bellichek, Pete Carrol, John Harbaugh Mike Tomlin All have Super Bowl wins. And multiple appearances. Head coaches with shorter tenures and super bowl appearances include Sean McVay (hired same year as McDermott) Kyle Shanahan (hired same year as McDermott) Zac Taylor As an aside here are coaches with wins against Sean McDermott's AFC East Third Place team in 2022 Mike McDaniel (rookie) Kevin O'Connell (rookie) Robert Saleh (second year) Bills fans are the most patient. In almost every other NFL fanbase Mr. McDermott would be "on the hot seat"