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It kinda is, right? They drew KC round 1 last year. They lost with a massive QB disadvantage. 2 years ago they drew the Bills round 1. They lost with a massive QB disadvantage and a backup QB starting to boot. Tua has as many wins against Mahomes in the playoffs as Josh does.

There was a point in Buffalo’s history where 3 straight playoff appearances would’ve gotten you the key to the city. I do think it’s kinda funny to think about the dichotomy that Miami is such a failure because they can’t beat Mahomes with Tua or Josh Allen with Skylar Thompson, meanwhile we can’t get out of the divisional round with Josh.

That was my prediction earlier. The Bills taught them that. Their defense was quite bad early in the season until they put Humphrey on Shakir. He went back to outside and they were bad again.

It's proof positive that "winning in the trenches" is another one of those things that's nice to have, but close to irrelevant compared to not having the QB. It's window dressing. The value of the elite QB (which the Dolphins don't have and never will as long as Tua is under center) is why they will not be a contender. The Bills have been a contender the entire time Josh has been elite. It doesn't matter if our DL sucks or our OL sucks.We are still contenders, every year. If Josh was on a team like the Dolphins, who you say can't win in the trenches, they would be contenders, every year.

Meh, I think the build with the trenches thing goes too far. Their defense got actually quite a bit better this season. The big problem is really that Tua has a low ceiling and a low floor, that he needs to be propped up to be just a good QB, and that kind of QB unfortunately doesn’t get your far at building out the rest of a roster. Put it another way, as much as we consider ourselves a far more physical team than Miami, if Tua was our QB for 17 games this season, I think we have a similar record to the Dolphins if not worse. If Josh was the Dolphins QB, i think they are still the 2 seed and run away with the division. Brock Purdy is Tua West for a reason. A physically limited, nice kid who needs to be surrounded by talent to produce in a Shanny system. And when that talent suffers a set back, they turn back into pumpkins. And paying all that talent limits your upside everywhere else on the roster.

The exact place he is the worst fit for him. If BB or the org are serious about winning, you don’t hire him to a team that needs a full reset everywhere including QB. I think BB on the Bears is a better fit and I think that’s not even that good of a fit.

I think if we had Evans and drafted Mahomes in 2017, we may have 4 SB’s. I love Josh and he’s been better than Mahomes lately, but denying Mahomes the Reid/Hill/Kelce triumvirate probably changes everything. Andy probably gets fired from KC after choking with Smith again.

It’s kind of funny that of the first 17 picks, the only ones not to make a Pro Bowl were drafted by the Rams, Jags, Bills and Browns.

Preblaming the fans as a defense mechanism. This bodes ill

I don’t mean to be rude, but didn’t the Bucs have a better draft pick than us in 2017 and 2018?

Well, it's not like there was a historically talented WR draft recently. What else could he have done?

The Pierce era is a good example about how bad teams stay bad. Gruden leaves. Bisacchia as interim leads the team to the postseason. The players clamor to keep Bisacchia. Ownership decides the horrific leader of men McDaniels is better. They trade for Adams who they pay big money too because he wants to play with Carr. McDaniels cuts Carr, pays a washed Jimmy G. McDaniels is obviously fired. Pierce takes over as interim. Players clamor for Pierce and they are already pretty pissed after what happened previous. Fearing player revolt, Raiders hire a guy they honestly probably didn’t want to. They proceed to fire him when he’s predictably bad because they have no faith in him. Compounding mistakes. Brutal to watch.

I was just thinking how crazy it would be for a first round LSU WR to put up top 4 receiving yards in their rookie year and end up being a superstar. It’s only happened twice in the last 4 years.

You have to consider the context. Zay Flowers was only on a roster that passed for 4172 yards this season which is why his numbers were good, but not great. BTJ was on a roster that passed for 3700 yards total, which is why his numbers were so good but he wasn’t great.

Mac Jones played almost half the season. He had 22 less attempts than Lawrence did on the season The Bills passed the ball 26 times less than the Jags did on the year. ?????

BTJ has done just fine going from Lawrence to Mac Jones FWIW.

The Giants would still be bad with Saquon Barkley lol Bills fans who watched guys like Marshawn Lynch carry this team to 6 wins and mathematically eliminated in November somehow don't understand this. Joe Burrow has gotten a lot of mileage out of that one good day by his DC too.

QB's are going to become RB's too because they get paid more and more lol.

He gone

I’m not saying they have been bad. I’m saying that maxing out at “quality starters” is probably partly the reason we have played in one conference championship in Josh’s career. The proof is really in the pudding. We have a top 2 at least QB. We find quality starters and role players every year. We have played in one conference championship. At what point do you stop shuffling the “good players that aren’t good enough to pay top money to” deck chairs before you start star chasing? We have all these guys with “potential to be top 10.” “Looking like another quality starting potentially.” How many of them will be Bills 3 years from now? 50%? Less? The reality of the NFL is that you need franchise cornerstones. QB. Pass rusher. LT. Pass catcher. CB. Everyone else is more or less interchangeable. “Solid depth” in guys like Hamlin do not move the needle. “Potential to be a starter” guys like Williams do not move the needle. Rotational backups do not move the needle. When you don’t build around stars in star positions, you end up with a good team that is not quite good enough. And that’s the motto of the last 5 years of Buffalo Bills football. Who do we think is more likely to step up in the playoffs and make game changing plays? All of our solid rotational depth defenders or Chris Jones? The answer is obvious. I think we need to pump the brakes on OCT personally. Two months ago he was a complete liability on the line. I’m not calling him potentially top 5 OG anytime soon.

Given how good the Bills are at drafting? Man we just have very different opinions on the strengths of this regime. They are very good at finding role players. They do not hit on stars. Josh is their only one on the roster drafted by Beane. They can still do that without first round picks (in fact that’s where we are the best at it) your list is full of teams getting appreciably better 2/3 times. Of course, there are some duds. There are no guarantees with the draft either. Trading 2 firsts and losing in the Super Bowl would be the greatest year of Josh’s career thus far.

I honestly think you can. Draft capital is completely overrated. The Rams have had 1 first round pick since 2017. They have had the 7th best record in the NFL during that span, have had multiple playoff appearances, been to two SB’s and won 1. I don’t know where you see the massive trades working out only for the team getting picks. The Rams won a Super Bowl with an “eff them picks” mentality. Listen, if the Bills had a SB ring or two at this point, I wouldn’t care if they wanted to build sustainably through the draft. The Chiefs in 2022 did that, they tried to take a step back on talent because they were playing with found money at that point. We aren’t in that same situation. We are rapidly approaching Josh’s 30s and our biggest game was getting blown out in the conference championship once. We don’t have time for another pick #30 to take 3-4 years to figure out if they are worth $25M. We really don’t.

I have to really question the logic behind saying a number 1 pick and then paying a Rousseau $25M AAV is not using a lot of draft or cap capital, but trading at least a #1 and other picks for Garrett making $30M AAV is some huge risk. The Bills haven’t had an elite pass rusher since Mario. We have spent multiple draft picks trying to get one. We gave Von Miller $20M a year to get one. What is the difference between the picks for Rousseau, Boogie, AJE and the contracts for Von and likely Rousseau vs both of those things used for an actual superstar HoF pass rusher in Garrett? Elite pass rushers are the closest thing to panaceas on defense btw. They make everyone better. That’s why they are the second highest paid position. There is honestly no more impactful player in the NFL that the Bills could trade for.

He wasn’t fired for only winning 4 games. I keep trying to tell you. He was fired because his HC career was basically a disaster from the jump. He was the golden boy they groomed for succession, and by like the first quarter of the season, the Pats had serious doubts about his ability to be an HC. That’s why the rumors were flying around that he could be fired BACK THEN. It wasn’t winning this game or not that game.

The rumors were that Mayo was on the hot seat in like week 4. It wasn’t because of win total.