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Meh, I don’t think Lamar in 2019 was capable of running the 2024 Monken offense. I think he was best suited for Roman’s system when he came out of college, and eventually outgrew it. Funnily enough, it’s what I suggested the Bears do to salvage Fields, who was a similarly elite athlete who needed to grow as a passer.

I don’t think there’s much positive to say about the way the Bills “developed” Josh outside of “it worked.” They basically stepped on rake after rake and got lucky that Josh became a superstar. That’s a really good thing because it ushered in the best and most exciting era in franchise history.

He calls himself the schnowman

There’s something funny about how some folks in this topic vehemently argued how good of a situation Mahomes got drafted in, and how he would have sucked here and never won any Super Bowls throwing to Kelvin Benjamin, but now suddenly the 2018 Bills was QB development mecca. Anything and everything in service of the McD cause I suppose.

Tyrod Taylor is a career backup. Talk about setting the bar low.

They built an elite offensive line....last year. Roger Saffold was quite literally the worst IOL in the league and he started 16 games for us in 2022. In Josh's FIFTH year. Our IOL play was a disaster that season and guess what....we still had an elite offense, won a bunch of games and went to the divisional round. Because we had Josh Allen. This is just circular logic. We clearly have a "really good coaching staff and GM" because they "developed Josh Allen." How do we know? Because Josh Allen is great. What are the odds that Beane and McD develop the next kid when Josh retires? I'll give you 100-1 odds they fail and all get fired.

The Pats superior culture and coaching died on the vine the second their superstar QB walked out the door. Apparently they were 100% responsible for Brady's success but also could not ever replicate it again.

We had no stability or culture or consistent coaching when we drafted Josh Allen. McD and Beane were first timers in their new roles. Beane wasn't even a scout coming up. I don't think they did anything that special, outside of picking the right QB. Honestly. I reject the notion that they wiped away 20 years of dysfunction in one offseason because they took an 8-8 roster to 9-7.

They won a playoff game with Baker, their first since 1995 lol. Do you think that’s because they became less dysfunctional that year? perspective is really sorely lacking.

Triggered? you wrote “imagine Allen with the Jets, Browns and Cardinals” as if the 2000-2017 Bills were any different. We had a 17 year playoff drought. We were on an HC and QB carousel. During that time, the Jets and Cardinals, while both being relatively bad, were winning playoff games, going to conference championships and in the Cardinals case, almost winning a Super Bowl. What evidence is there that the Bills were a better organization than those two? The only evidence is what happened after the Bills drafted the right QB who is a future HoFer in 2018 and those two teams did not. Point blank, period.

Imagine if Allen went to a terribly dysfunctional organization with a terrible reputation and recent history of 15+ years of incompetence? I can’t imagine it either

I will believe the Bills will attack WR in the draft when I see it.

Lamar has played in a completely different offense the last two years. He has passed way more and ran far less than he used. the way to beat Lamar in 2019-2020 was to stop the run and make Lamar beat you with his arm. IMO, that’s a far less successful strategy now because of his significant improvement passing the football and mastery of the offense. I actually see the Ravens offense and the Bills offenses as quite similar. Very strong running game. Passing explosives are basically coming from their QBs making ridiculous plays that very little other QBs could succeed at. I think the Ravens are a bit more talented and a bit more physical, but I see more similarities than differences imo.

The hall doesn’t care about who “should’ve won MVP.” It’s not the GMs who vote. The résumés are the résumés at this point. There are no two time MVP QBs not in the hall. I think Lamar has the better case to make the hall today, despite him being, imo, slightly worse than Josh. QBs better than Eli Manning will get passed on in the hall over him, because Eli has things on his resume that they do not. Kinda simple stuff really.

It’s very nice, but thats not gonna get him in the hall.

Lamar has a far better chance than Josh to make it if they both retired tomorrow. 3x AP1, 2x MVP, and has the career high passer rating in league history.

Lamar was a player who entered the NFL with a very unique skill set and has polished his game to be the clear cut second best QB in football right now. i have nothing bad to say about him outside of his playoff woes. But in a world where if you aren’t Josh Allen, you suck, hes never gonna get a fair shake imo.

The CFL wishes. the nfl doesn’t touch money losers.

Our best chance of making it to a Super Bowl is if KC is not in our way. Point blank period.

I know I know, it's just those unreasonable Bills fans who think that's McD achieving the same pinnacle of success that Rex Ryan did with Mark Sanchez is disappointing.

There is legitimately 0 objective reason to fire Sirianni right now, the defending SB championship HC, whose team hasn't lost a game his QB has started and finished since 9/29/24. Confirmation bias is a b*tch indeed.

The Jets example, they were not down 2. They were down 6.

Oh yeah, AI definitely is never flawed or get things wrong lol

I mean, what even was the reason behind that? so bizarre

NFL teams don’t take points off the board if they need them to win. not every team has a Josh Allen where 3-4 plays within the 10 almost always equals a TD.