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How many WR’s drafted in picks 15 -32 have made the Super Bowl? do you think there’s any correlation between players drafted by playoff or fringe playing teams and eventually making a Super Bowl vs players drafted by a crappy team not making it?

Do you think the Falcons lost because they had Julio Jones? Do you think the 2007 Pats lost because they had Randy Moss?

Correct. The right time to take calls on Milano is next season if he returns to form. ultimately, it still may not be worth it to move him but that’s when the value and the potential decline would possibly be commiserate. Of course, he’s basically untradeable now, and still trades away at a loss next year.

Let me just be the first to stay, i don’t really care about Josh winning an MVP. we are not the Buffalo Fightin’ Josh Allen’s. We are the Buffalo Bills. Team success over individual success. Always.

This is the real reason the Bills cap was a mess. You simply cannot spend this much money on guys who cannot contribute.

I’m going to be very upset if they take Coleman in the first. I’m not so worried about the second.

Wow, I’m shocked he didn’t get 2 years, 9.5M again

https://www.wfaa.com/article/news/crime/rashee-rice-dallas-texas-crash-charges-kansas-city-chiefs-nfl/287-55b4ae10-a0c3-4bc3-b82d-a826d4b80ddf DALLAS — An arrest warrant has been issued for Kansas City Chiefs wide receiver Rashee Rice in connection to his involvement in a multi-vehicle crash on U.S. 75 in Dallas in late March, sources tell WFAA. Rice, 23, now faces eight charges in the case -- six counts of collision involving bodily injury, one count of collision involving serious bodily injury and one count of aggravated assault, according to the arrest warrant. All of the charges are felonies What’s the nervous level at ?

Can’t believe some of these guys are 6000 inches tall. This ain’t your daddy’s NFL.

Foolishly giving away next years picks? Is this the “why would you trade a pick to get (that guy) argument? That pick could’ve been anything!” argument? Shakir had the luxury of playing with Josh Allen and basically becoming WR1 mid season. Gabe Davis has been a far more consistent producer than Darnell Mooney and yet they got similar money because Mooney was playing with a QB who couldn’t throw and Gabe was playing with one of the best in the game. Teams clearly take that into account.

I just drafted Brian Thomas in Madden and put up 1800 yards in a season. im sold on him.

Um yeah. Clearly Allen and Diggs had a problem. I said it’s probably mostly Diggs, but we don’t know if he had some valid complaints about Allen too. There hasn’t been a reported big problem with Shakir or Dawkins or any other players with Allen or Diggs. They could both be at fault or Diggs could just be a nut. That’s all ostensibly true. Not sure how anyone could argue with that. I’m not a reporter. It’s a message board.

We shall see. It’s not just WR. His dopey DL investments for the most part have been a disaster. The core 4 playmakers on the backend of the defense have been Hyde, Milano, Poyer, and White. They were all brought in prior to Beane’s GM tenure. Now you can argue that he kept them together and made their salaries work and that’s fair. But he wasn’t the driving force for their initial acquisition. In fact, his other acquisitions have been littered with mild to moderate hits, and misses. Edmunds was a massive disappointment based on draft status and investment. Ed is a top 10 pick that just had the best year of his career and is signed up long term, so I consider that a W. When you look at the roster during Beane’s tenure from when he got hired to today, he has done a good job at plugging in holes and rounding out the roster. The good to great talent infusion has not been there. If you want to compare the regime to the Chiefs, we have been getting dogwalked in drafts and acquisitions compared to them. McDuffie is an All-Pro, Elam is a healthy scratch. Karlaftis is a double digit sack guy, Rousseau is a better version of Shaq Lawson. Cody Ford vs their IOL investment. It goes on and on. I would honestly argue that we have a QB comparable to Mahomes (even though I think Mahomes is a bit better but it’s closer to splitting hairs.) Their talent acquisition has crushed us. Maybe Allen can be great enough to overcome it in the biggest spots but he hasn’t yet and expecting him to just figure it out with a team that is aging out of championship caliber because our best players were acquired 7 years ago is not fair to him. I’m harder on Allen than most, but I try to be fair. Allen’s competition isn’t 31 other QB’s it’s the other top 3-4. Beane’s competition isn’t 31 other teams, it’s the top 3 or 4. We need both of them be better imo, but Beane is the one that has WAY more ground to cover.

Pretty sure we read a different TBD over the last 20 years.

Talk about easy to please. He’s learned from his mistakes because he signed…. one WR after losing 2 starters to FA’s and trades? When Samuel is our starting boundary WR Week 1 and can’t get off the press, he will have learned from his mistakes? When someone gets banged up and Mack Hollins is running routes in the playoffs, he will have learned from his mistakes? I failed my social studies test because I didn’t study at all, but I opened the textbook once after that. I’m learning from my mistakes!

I don’t. I said I don’t know. Read it again.

I mean, I lean more towards Diggs being a problem, but that doesn’t mean that Josh is perfect.

It's also possible they are both divas. Diggs can be a malcontent, an emotionally labile time bomb, and Josh can also have his own share of problems (doesn't put in the work, huge ego, etc) that he is responsible for. We just don't know.

Teams with franchise QB’s. Jags on the edge of that IMO. I loved Lawrence in college but he’s been a disappointment so far.

I hear you. 2 years ago I probably agreed with you. Now, I’m not so sure. I wasn’t quick to crown Patty and Andy as the inheritors of the Pats Dynasty up until this last year. Now, I think they are. They are like a Hydra at this point. They trade away the greatest WR weapon in recent memory and win two SB’s with an offense held together with duct tape. Kelce looks like he’s slowing down and heading to retirement, then rips off a massive playoff run. They tear down and rebuild the OL, the defense in a blink of an eye. And they aren’t even perfect. Toney is a zero now. Skyy Moore a bust. They lose Mecole Hardman to FA, get him back when he predictably flames out, and he catches the game winning pass in the SB. I have no explanation and it sounds really crazy. But I do now think they are just head and shoulders above everyone, not in gamechanging talent alone. I could be wrong. Maybe they go 10 years without winning a ring again. I just don’t think so. And that’s not all Mahomes, it’s everything.

There’s an element of truth to this too. im not sure Josh needs to be around a bunch of yes men. I don’t think that’s healthy for him or his growth. Hard to know who was more in the wrong with that situation. I wanted to reach through my screen and shake Josh silly after throwing a pop fly to a double covered Harty. Happy when things are going good and a problem when things aren’t going good isn’t something that you want from a leader in the locker room

Brandon Beane decided to light another $3M on fire to get Stef Diggs out of town when we have like 1 WR on the roster has me between “good riddance” and “time to move on”

There we go, at least you finally addressed it. Only took me dunking on you to get you back in the game. QB’s can absolutely fluctuate up and down over their career. Totally agree. I also agree that it would probably be fair to say Mahomes had a slightly worse year in 2023 compared to the rest of his career. I would argue a QB could have a down year for many reasons. Coaching change. Loss of talent. Just not up to their usual standards for a million reasons. I don’t think any of that means they are a worse QB. There are a lot of mental elements to the game that doesn’t show up on the stat sheet. I think there’s a good chance Josh is a better QB next year in regards to his mastery of the game despite slumping in production compared to his career. That’s it.

Ding ding ding. tell him what he’s won, Johnny! You just got Papa Doc’d. Puppeteered.