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It's admitting that at a certain point, he has had enough bites at the apple imo. It's like when drought coaches couldn't break it in 3 years. Sure, we had some key injuries with Chan or Rex or Jauron. We had some bad luck. We had some weaker rosters. But at a certain point, the Bills decided, "this guy hasn't made the playoffs in 3 or 4 seasons, he probably isn't going to" and fired them. We are going into year 9 of McDermott and Beane without a Superbowl appearance. Is that the longest coaching/GM tenure without a championship APPEARANCE? It has to be up there.

Philly Brown AJ Klein It's not players who were ever Panthers, it's players who were all in Carolina from like 2016. Nearly half their roster has played for the Bills at this point.

The problem is that all of you admit its a complex thing and list all these possible reasons for failure, but it CAN'T be coaching lol. I admit injuries have been a problem. I admit that the roster desperately lacks another star or 3. I admit the cosmic luck hasn't gone our way. I also think Reid kinda takes McD's lunch money every time we play them in postseason. How can you be so sure that isn't also a problem?

I think it's totally fair to feel that way. I disagree completely, but I think that's fine. At this point, I feel like we are spinning our wheels. We have the same conversations about desperate team needs at critical positions in what feels like every offseason (DL and WR), we have the same conversations about bad luck vs injuries vs coaching being the root cause of the latest defensive no-show in our latest playoff defeat and every year, Josh gets a bit more older and a bit more banged up. Cam Newton's last year of performing at a just "good" level was at 30. Not every QB is going to be Brady and play until 45.

Josh Allen won MVP because he dragged this crew to 13 wins. The way I interpreted this post was replacing player X with a league average player at that position and what is the Bills record. I guess I think Eddy O and Greg are quite overrated. Folks are now taking for granted all the things Josh does to keep the offense moving. How many of Keon's and Mack's yards last year came from Josh eluding a rush and heaving a ball downfield after a scramble drill? We aren't getting that with a league average QB.

I'm not sure what "not the same defense" means but okay. I know McD is going nowhere. We have folks on here calling him a top 15 coach in modern history with a HoF QB and 2 AFC finalist banners lol. My question is what do we think is more likely two years from now? 0-6 vs the Chiefs in the playoffs or 2-4 vs the Chiefs in the playoffs? I know my answer. @NewEra what do you got?

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Ol Riverboat had a much better winning percentage in Carolina when Cam was at his peak. The point was not Rivera vs McD, the point was that Rivera and Gettleman had a prime specimen at QB, made it to one Super Bowl, and pretty much underachieved up to and including the quality of team they built around him. And the second time and injuries caught up with Cam, the carousel stopped, and they all got fired. Ron gets credit for developing Cam, right? The best thing for Sean McDermott to do is to retire when Josh does to preserve his precious winning percentage. He signs a 5 year deal with the Browns to turn them around next, and he'll drop out of the top 15 like a rocket. I'm concerned we will be convinced that McD and co wasted prime Josh Allen and underachieved. Just like Miami failed Marino. And like I said, I'll expect an apology. Do you think losing to the Chiefs over and over in the playoffs has any effect on the players?

I have next to zero confidence. Good for you if you feel differently. I hope guys like Dawkins and Josh share your confidence when they suit up to face the Chiefs again. But my suspicion is that some folks in that locker room feel like "here we go again," at this point. Nah, but a decade from now, if we look back on Beane and McD like they look at Rivera and Gettleman in Carolina, I'll expect an apology.

My point is he's had 4 chances and hasn't, so I'm not confident that he can, especially in comparison to 4 other guys who have. Here's hoping the fifth time is the charm. If not, then maybe the 6th or 7th time will be.

Every single one of those teams isn't 0-4 with one of their worst defensive performances of the year against them. Exactly my point. Of that list of defensive coordinators, we are taking McD last to coach against Reid in the postseason, right?

I didn't. I was implying we are at a coaching disadvantage every January when we play the Chiefs which is why our defense is regularly awful in those games.

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Well, Ohio State won. That alone knocks it down 100 pegs.

Sorry just saw this. 0-4 with it consistently being one of the worst defensive performances of the season. Only 3 defensive starters remain from that 2020 team. Same result. I agree they lack some talent, but it goes beyond that. It's not just bad luck or injuries.

Running back money is funny. JT is always hurt and he's the 4th highest paid RB in the league by AAV. Henry is 3rd. So you are saying Cook wants top 3 money? He's certainly not going to sign for less than those guys, right? Beane grew up with Gettleman who used to do strange things like pay TWO running backs. I don't think it's a philosophical problem. I think Cook is asking to be the second or third highest paid RB in the NFL and the Bills don't think he is. That's all.

At some point, this pipeline has to age out of the league. It's been almost 10 years!

"Devaluing their own" and your range comparison to James Cook is the geriatric RB who is going to fall off a cliff any second now and the one hit wonder RB who is the picture perfect example of why you don't overpay an RB. "We should pay Dareus, look at how much money Albert Haynesworth got" type beat lol.

didn't mean to imply that, was just musing.

Hm, I wonder how hard we did try seeing as he's getting released for nothing? Maybe we couldn't agree on contract with Jaire himself.

I just don't think it's an either/or proposition. Yes, imo, the defense has been crappier overall in the postseason if I had to assign a blame pie. I think a lot of folks like @Alphadawg7 and @NewEra and @MasterStrategist see that as there's more room for improvement/impact if we add a star there. I think that's a reasonable take. The problem is I have next to zero confidence that we would see that significant impact due to the apparent coaching mismatch. Do I think adding a Myles Garrett may help us make an extra play or two to beat the Chiefs? Yes, I do. Do I think adding a Myles Garrett is going to help us put up a 2020 Bucs or 2024 Eagles defensive performance against the Chiefs? I really do not. So when it comes to beating the Chiefs (and beyond because that's not going to be the Superbowl), I don't really a vast distinction between adding an elite defensive player vs an elite offensive player. In fact, I think it's a reasonable take that adding a player who can catch 10+ balls from Josh Allen against the Chiefs will have more impact than a player coached by McD and schemed against by Reid to make an impact. And to bring it back to Keon Coleman. I hated the pick, because I didn't see the vision of the ceiling. I'm not convinced he is going to be anything more than a Mike Williams type player. Now, Mike Williams was a fine player, but a player like that is never the "answer" at WR. Ultimately, Keon's stretch of good play mid-season last year made me feel much BETTER about him. If he can be that player more consistently, I will feel much better about the offensive side overall.

I agree. He is a tweener prospect and probably has a ceiling as a situational pass rusher. I see him as a 5th-6th round pick.

I think more broad strokes is sure, elite defender would be nice. Another elite offensive player would also be nice. The difference between "enough to win" or "almost won" is a handful of offensive or defensive plays. Having as many players as possible to make them is the goal.

I don't know. If it was a non-rookie scale contract, I think they could but I think the rookie deals have some kind of language/structure about guarantee%. I'm also not sure the Bills have the space to add a bunch of meaningful incentives.

He's not trying to go this year without a contract extension though. He's trying to get the best possible contract extension. As he should.