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Excuse me. Tre White is back

Yeah but were you there

Yeah the Harbo's love Roman. So I do blame them a little bit because he's their guy. I think Lamar's development as a passer is kind of overblown. 2019 Lamar was still an absolute force and that remains arguably the best year of his career. A TD% of 9 is just bonkers.

Unless you have a Time Machine and are very very sneaky, you will never know exactly what happened because you will never be there. Our best information comes from the reports that came out. Asking for stronger evidence is laughable on its face. Are you not sure George Washington existed because you weren’t there? Do we all need to hold our horses that Thomas Jefferson wrote the Declaration of the Independence because we just don’t know, none of us were in the room. Absolute inanity.

Oh the lengths you will go to defend the Pegulas. “You don’t know the reporting by people who were there was accurate. You weren’t there!” Talking about the important of maintaining your family’s lifestyle while also telling your employees times are tough, and sacrifices will need to be made, including them not getting raises or bonuses is actually a good thing!

Nutso. I doubt the players have that much faith in McD at this point. I’ll ask again at 0-5.

Let’s play a game. Who is more likely to beat the Chiefs in 2025 and win the Super Bowl with the Bills roster? McDermott or Payton?

I mean maybe. It wouldn’t be the first time BB schooled another great coach in the SB. McVay still has nightmares. Those 2018-19 Pats team were weaker offensively but had a truly elite defense. The next season (2019) they were first in basically everything with nearly the exact same group.

IMO, going 0-4 vs the same HC/QB who aren’t going anywhere anytime soon is just as unacceptable as losing to Case Keenum. It’s hyperbole that they would’ve won the SB. They would’ve gone to the SB.

What good QBs has he taken the ball out of their hands though? Herbert is the only one, and seeing as Herby is addicted to playoff meltdowns, it doesn’t seem like a bad strategy.

I agree somewhat but, the Saints won in 2009 (Katrina was in 2006) and they never missed the playoffs with Brees after drafting Kamara (the 2017 Saints draft is like an All-Time class though, probably one of the best in their franchise history).

Yeah that’s basically it. I’m not sure anyone called it a sure bet, but I’m pretty confident that Payton doesn’t go 0-4 against Reid/Mahomes. I do think he’s a very good coach, even if he’s a bit of an arrogant ass. I’d probably trade the win over Bo Nix for getting past the Chiefs once this decade.

The 2017 Bills were just as boring if not moreso imo. As far as allowing Josh Allen to be exciting, McD has been very clear that his ideal offense is taking the ball out of Josh’s hands much more than we have previously seen. In fairness to Harbaugh, he has Roman who has always struggled with building a modern passing offense, and absolutely dreadful WRs outside of Ladd. They went back to the WR well again this year and we’ll see if that makes any difference. I also think there’s an argument to turn around a team in the modern NFL, you need buy-in equity. The chargers winning ugly into the playoffs probably went a long way in that locker room, not dissimilar to how McD was viewed after 17. He has now cemented it as his team imo. The negative Nancy’s lol. if McD wins a Super Bowl, him and Beane can stay until they die for all I care.

To get you back on track, do you not think Stefanski wins 10 with that roster? Or Tomlin or Harbaugh?

Feel like this is 90% of McDs resume.

Not really. i think @Buffalo716 is over the top with his McD praise, but I do believe him and Beane do deserve credit for identifying and developing Allen. As well as overhauling the Bills losing culture. Now maybe if Payton is here in 2017, we feel comfortable drafting Mahomes and the Chiefs miss out on him, but the fact of the matter is if Payton was fired, he wouldn’t have ever considered Buffalo as a destination in 2017. And that’s kinda the problem I see with McD, largely. He deserves credit for Allen and the Bills turnaround. But what we need in 2025 and what we needed in 2017 are very different and that’s why I don’t think he’s too good to fire. If Payton was coach in 2020 to now, do I think we would’ve done better? Absolutely. But I wasn’t ready to fire McD then and can’t really hold that against anyone.

To echo that, a 5 year agreement would be basically a 5 alarm fire they are pending a sale for me lol.

Bingo. Everyone universally agrees he’s pretty good. Everyone universally agrees he’s not close to the best. The majority of folks with worse would gladly take him tomorrow and the few folks with better are glad they don’t have him. Perfect analogy.

You are a Payton guy, but if McD went 7-9 three straight years with prime Josh Allen, there would be blood in the streets. Payton had the better highs, but I don’t think he’s THAT much better tbh.

The greatest HC of all time was like .500 without the greatest QB of all time. I think it’s safe to say McDermott isn’t in Bill Belichick territory, no? Speculating he would be far better than the greatest coach ever is kind of a bridge too far imo.

There is a way to know. Before Josh was routinely in MVP conversations, McDermott’s winning% was .520. He is a good coach. Josh is the reason he has an elite winning percentage.

Absolutely, especially considering who those SBs were against. Part of Eli’s argument to get in is Jim Kelly. A guy who was never really the best or stacked a ton of awards but did an incredible achievement multiple times. Jim with the 4 straight and Eli with TWO improbable Superbowls against the dynasty of his time, including against an 18-0 team. and I think that’s right. They should both get in for that. You are thinking correct because that’s already happened in February.

It was done with callousness. It was the start of COVID. PSE was losing money. Folks were afraid they were gonna lose their jobs. Kim held an organizational meeting. Talked about how they weren’t going to be getting raises. Said one of their organizational goals was to maintain the Pegulas’ lifestyle. At its MOST CHARITABLE, it was incredibly tone deaf and ridiculous. “Over the course of a few days, Pegula addressed various departments via video conference from the family’s home office in Boca Raton, Fla. She explained raises and bonuses should not be expected aside for those, such as coaches and players, contracted to receive them. Budgets would be scrutinized. Times ahead were going to be difficult, Pegula stressed, and sacrifices must be made. The tone underscored worries that had been circulating among workers at various Pegula Sports and Entertainment properties.” “Kim Pegula’s video presentation included a rundown of organizational objectives. One particular slide, titled “Pegula Family Goals,” shook executives and lower-level employees alike. A handout version of the slide, obtained and verified by The Athletic, listed the Pegulas’ three chief objectives: win championships, sustainability, return on investment. Pegula, current and former employees say, explained that return on investment included maintaining the family’s lifestyle” Times are tough and some of you won’t get raises but we still need to keep our PJ is just horrific leadership at face value.

Mike McCarthy doesn’t coach defense lol

They had a PowerPoint slide to PSE employees talking about how they needed to maintain the Pegulas lifestyle, just after they told folks they weren’t going to get raises. https://www.nytimes.com/athletic/1758235/2020/04/20/as-pegulas-face-business-challenges-employees-describe-a-toxic-culture-at-pse/