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The Bills defense was bad and contributed greatly to the loss. The Bills offense was also bad and contributed greatly to the loss lol. If you don’t think only managing 10 points is very bad, then you’re just wrong. Categorically and definitively

It’s not a stupid theory. I think there’s a very reasonable argument that it’s not Josh’s best club is his bag, so you don’t want to over commit to it. Like if Miami called us and said “hey we’ll trade you Tyreek for a 1st and you paying $30M,” I think there’s a reasonable argument that despite him being a net positive to the offense, his skill set and Josh’s probably are not an optimal match and may not justify the cost. But by the same token, I think the THREAT of the deep ball is something that strategically makes a lot of sense to add. Ultimately, I think the WR room construction/fits etc was nailed on the head by @GunnerBill earlier, and that the Bills just get guys that their OC wants/likes and each OC has wanted different skill sets. Daboll wanted more route runner and shifty guys, Dorsey wanted more high EPA deep shot guys, and Brady is more RAC types.

KJ Hamler couldn’t make the team last year lol

This is the best post in the thread, 100% accurate and true. This is also why this topic is so heated. Because it’s a referendum on Beane/McD and the entire org. Even folks who love and agree with 100% with this entire offseason’s moves, love the direction, think this is our year, etc etc etc, will NOT be surprised when KC drops a 30 piece on our heads next playoffs. We will hear “the defensive draft class will need more time to develop, the backup safety was hurt, we will get it right next year”

Not really sure the point here. the offense wasn’t good enough to score more than 10 points lol. What is the Bills record scoring 10 points or fewer? Probably horrific, right? 0-50?

Cleveland will never have higher than the third best QB as it stands right now. They are never dethroning Baltimore AND Cincinnati in the next 5 years without a QB on their level. Nothing in that org matters besides QB and it shouldn’t.

We scored 10 points

Yes. That’s how you get a good player. You outbid another team who also wants a good player. Do you think the Steelers didn’t have to outbid other teams? Didn’t we outbid the Pats for the Diggs trade? Is Beane a bad GM for doing that? I’m on record for wanting Darnell Mooney as my #1 target last offseason. Posted about it probably 20 times. He signed for similar AAV as Curtis Samuel. He had more yards than Cooper, Samuel and Mack combined lol. His 2024 season woud’ve led the Bills in yards.

The point was that I asked what Chargers games you watched and you didn’t have an answer after saying you watched some lol. Sounds like pretending to me. Anyway, it sounds like you accept you could be 100% wrong about Josh Palmer and he could be a total JAG, just like he has been his entire career in Charger-land, but a nicely overpaid JAG here in Buffalo. I guess if you accept that, my work is done.

Yeah, okay lol.

Beane’s got these folks in a chokehold. ”we couldn’t/shouldn’t upgrade the offense because we need to upgrade the defense” is a OBD talking point, word for word, bar for bar. Beane is an above average GM, but he is 1 of 1 when it comes to manipulating the fan base.

You asked the question lol. I’m sorry that I think DK Metcalf + a defensive focused draft is a better plan to win a Super Bowl than Josh Palmer + a defensive focused draft. There really is nothing funnier than folks being like “what was your plan huh!” as a trump card then getting smacked down lol

I wish we traded for DK Metcalf. He cost a second round pick and we luckily had an extra one of those from trading our last WR. Barring that, I would have like trading up in the second round and picking Luther Burden instead of going for Sanders. Let me know if you have any more questions.

His big offseason acquisition last year was Curtis Samuel but he knew that Curtis Samuel wasn’t good enough? And he knows Josh Palmer isn’t good enough but threw a bucket of money his direction too? At a certain point, this position comes untenable. ”we were cap strapped!” “He knows it’s not good enough, he just keeps doing it because XYZ” Barring a significant move at WR prior to camp, which imo is extremely unlikely, I think it’s safe to say that Beane thinks he can get by with this level of talent at WR. And that he does think that guys like Palmer and Samuel are significant adds. There is a level of irony that Palmer/Samuel have a higher cap hit than DK this year

I thought historically JP couldn’t stay on the field because he regularly ignored his assignment to get upfield and hunt for sacks. wasn’t that the reason we didn’t re-sign him?

How can we say this when he went to camp with basically the same group last year?

Philosophically, what is the point of discussing differing viewpoints if they don’t matter to you? I think it’s time for you to look inward. Some self-reflection.

They value run blocking and not being a locker room headache.

Then why even bother engaging. Story sounds a little different now. i don’t believe you watched any Chargers games. You probably saw some film mashups by a Bills production brand.

Which ones

I love the Bills. It hurts my heart to watch them waste their best chance in winning the big one in Josh Allen. Palmer ***** SUCKS. He was getting outtargeted by Quinton Johnston who is a laughably bad WR with terrible hands and a borderline bust. Im willing to bet you have never watched more than a single Chargers game so what are you even adding here RE: Palmer?

You know what seems like a winning strategy? Theres a way to cost control players. Players that play positions that demand really high contracts. Somehow, if you could take some of these players when they enter the league? At like a player selection meeting? They don’t cost nearly as much. Then you can get a ton of value out of them before you need to pay them lots of money. it seems radical, so I have to do some more research on the subject. If you hear about anything like that, please let the group know.

I don’t know. I know I spent a lot of time last year arguing with folks that Mack Hollins wouldn’t see a ton of playing time. A LOT. He, of course, was the leading snap count WR. The problem with that is that Palmer sucks

Scoring more PPG is good. Saying “hey Josh, you somehow won MVP making Mack Hollins look okay, do that AGAIN with Lavishka Shenault” is malpractice. Full stop.