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Meh. I think Diggs is getting closer to washed but I don’t want anyone on NE with any speck of ability. Tough call.

The corollary is that if the Kincaid doesn’t bounce back, his value will likely never be higher. It’s sort’ve the Elam argument. I get what you’re saying about roster holes and number of picks, but with the 2 6 games suspension, we are talking about potentially making cuts week 7. Unless we do some IR funny business, moving on from fifth or 6th round picks midseason isn’t great either. everything I’ve read about this draft is that it’s a pretty good TE and RB draft. If you could get a third straight up for Kincaid now, I think I’d take it. I think the likelihood the Bills can find a TE that actually fits what they want to do better is pretty high. And that’s the larger point. I’m not sure what the Bills plan for Kincaid was, but at this juncture, I’m not sure I see a ton of value on this team. He’s not really a great blocker, so despite being TE2 he’s not Knox’s backup/future replacement. He’s more Shakir’s backup, and they just paid Shakir to be one of the offensive focal points. You can say value getting back is low, but really what is the value of him being here?

Your last company just saw TBD as your #1 most visited website on your work computer and paid you accordingly.

The obvious answer was DK. But you know.

I see your point but do you think Kincaid added to this group makes some kind of significant difference?

You think that objectively Josh Palmer >>> Amari and Mack?

Well yeah. When Kincaid’s 2024 is like the average Josh Palmer year, it makes sense you’d still be pretty high on him

Now @Alphadawg7 and @HappyDays are a lot of things, but they aren't liars I think

Offense - QB - same RB - same WR - worse TE - same OL - same Defense DL - better CBs - same to worse LBs - same S - same ST - same/who cares Worse WR's, better DL and same to worse CB's has me feeling like it was a treading water offseason.

I actually think the reporting out there was Beane did try to get up for Addison. He failed, but he did try. Its unfortunately a little bit of a shame, but Kincaid wasn't really a guy who fit even a 12 personnel system. Having two TE's that can block and catch would kind of be what you want. Combine that with the fact our best WR is a slot WR that requires 11 personnel, and you have Kincaid trapped in no-man's land.

We did that last year

Let’s say Milano has the game sealing FF and FR touchdown in the Super Bowl this year. Does he get on the wall then?

Dane was better in Buffalo than he was in Carolina. Douglas was quite bad last year. It wouldn’t surprise me if 2025 Dane is an upgrade over 2024 Douglas, despite 2023 Douglas being far better than 2023 Dane.

Feels like an early retirement announcement. Love Matt but hard to play as physical as he does well into the 30s. Too soon to say…. wall of fame candidate?

No one ever said Howie Roseman is infallible lol.

See here’s the thing. You’re looking at this far more emotionally than I am. i really enjoy analyzing the Bills. I did during the drought. I do now. During the drought it was more of “how can the Bills sneak into the playoffs” exercise, now it’s “how can the Bills get a SB”. I readily admit that Beane and McD are average at least at the NFL level. I’m on record that McD is a top 10 coach and it’s not debatable imo. The problem is, the standard is the standard. We currently have a 1 of 38 QB. We didn’t in the drought. I would have killed for Beane and McD in 2014. I wouldn’t anymore. I have long believed and argued on here for probably a decade that almost all of your teams’ success derives from the QB. If you have a future HoF QB, you are likely going to be really good, every year. That’s borne fruit for about 25 in the NFL with a few exceptions. So when we talk about how Beane is great because of the team record, I roll my eyes. That’s a Josh Allen stat. When we talk about the multiple AFCE titles, I roll my eyes. That’s a Josh Allen (and the other QBs in the East) stat. But that’s fine. Not everyone agrees. Who cares. What’s even more maddening is the folks who watch this dude “pay” significant contracts to 3 players and two of them get popped for PEDs. Or who watch this dude start the offseason last year with massive holes at WR, S and DT and start the offseason this year with massive holes at WR, S and DT. Or watch him draft disappointments like Oliver or Ford or AJE or Kincaid or Elam or Coleman. And somehow call him a wizard? Whereas I look at all of those moves, “hey, if only one or two of those aren’t terrible decisions, we probably have a ring today.” He’s fine. Imo of the big 3 (Allen, McD and Beane) he’s the furthest from the tops of the league and that’s why I’m hard on him. Because I think he’s the biggest thing holding us back. Period.

Give us your top 5

Fair enough. I’m not sure I would.

I legitimately think that nobody on the planet loves the Buffalo Bills more than me

Yup. The Diggs v Jefferson conversation is funny to me because I think the biggest thing Josh needed was a PROVEN offensive superstar in his corner as opposed to a great rookie. Now, do I think Josh becomes the superstar elite QB he is with JJ instead of Diggs? Probably, yeah. But I will never ever hold that trade against Beane. Diggs had the gravitas to help Josh grow. It was 100% the right move and even in hindsight, I still think I make it. Asking above, if you could go back and draft JJ, knowing how Josh turned out with Diggs, would you do it?

Correct. This is a rehash from last year, and last year we had to trade a 3rd round pick to rent a starting boundary WR in October for 8 games. No more evidence needed

Patrick Mahomes inexplicably forgot how to play football for a half

Douglas allowed a passer rating of 122 when targeted FWIW.

We could also argue they are the luckiest by drafting the best player in the NFL at the most important position.

Hard to believe we have a better QB, a better coaching staff, a better owner and a better FO than the Bengals and they’ve beaten KC in the playoffs and went a Super Bowl before us. I know it sucks having players that deserve 30 or 40M AAV deals. I’d much rather have 20 AJ Epenesas.