FireChans

You could have just agreed lol. I even said the point was to find common ground. I think that BB would have an excellent winning record with a Patrick Mahomes or Joe Montana at QB. Probably not as good as with Brady because he is the better QB imo. What is the point you are trying to make? See how easy it is to answer a question and advance the conversation without having a defensive meltdown? (No McDermott pun intended)

holy smokes bro. Asking you questions is not assuming you "eluded" to something. "do you think that fire truck is red?" "I NEVER EVEN ALLUDED TO THINKING THAT FIRETRUCK WAS RED." I give up.

It's not me trying to be black and white, it's just a question to establish common ground. First of all, McDermott's record without Allen is actually 10-11. Which is .477. But the point is, do you think McD is as good or better of a coach than BB? I don't. I don't even think he's close. I think BB is the greatest coach of all time. I think his mastery of the defensive side of the ball, and his ability to be tactically nuanced (see 2019 SB, among others), as well as strategically (transitioning from a vertical offense to twin TE sets to an offense featuring the slot to a power running team over a 12 year span based on his personnel) is all-time. Now if you don't think BB is the greatest coach ever and you think McDermott could be, that's fine. I disagree. If you think BB is the greatest coach ever and you don't think McDermott is, then I would ask if a MUCH BETTER coach has a basically mediocre record without his incredible QB, why do you think a MUCH WORSE (relatively) coach wouldn't? What does McDermott do to make you think he's a .600+ coach without Josh? Your answer can be "I don't know because we don't know." That's fine. My answer is "McDermott is probably not better than the greatest HC of all time and thus would also probably have a mediocre W/L or worse without his franchise QB." And the reason I make this diversion is because the point I am trying to prove is that "the head coach doesn't matter as much as the QB." It never has. It hasn't with the greatest coach ever, which you agreed with. Brady was the engine for excellence in NE. The second he left, it dried up. When he went to the Bucs, BAM, they are back in the playoffs every year competing for Super Bowls. Peyton missed a season in Indy and they went from a double digit win team to picking first overall. When he went to Denver, they went from a fringe WC team at .500 to winning the division every season. I'm not sure you can find a top 3ish QB whose HC got fired and the franchise crumbled. To my knowledge, its never happened, at least in the modern era. There are lots of examples of teams knocking on the door of contending for Super Bowls who fired their HC or coordinators and that got them over the hump. So in conclusion, I think the odds of firing McD and AT LEAST being in the same stratosphere as we are today is VERY VERY high. I think the odds we win a SB are better than they are now. I think the odds of firing McD and going back to the drought is effectively 0.

Your last half a dozen posts have boiled down to "I disagree, I have faith in McDermott." Look around. 90% of the posters in this topic disagree. I don't need to "like" or "dislike" it. I'm not interested in prosetylization. I have my reasons for having next to zero faith in McDermott to get this team to the ultimate goal. And I have laid the evidence out. You can disagree with the evidence or the conclusion. You disagreed with the conclusion 5 pages ago and you can't or won't engage further. What else is there to say? Just quote my posts and write "I disagree" over and over and I just won't respond because you are welcome to disagree and I don't care, respectfully.

I’m assuming you think that BB is also a level above McDermott, no? My question is simply this. If someone considered the greatest coach of all time was largely mediocre and saw his SB window slammed shut after losing his franchise QB, who immediately opened another franchises SB window, why do you assume that would not be the case in Buffalo with a head coaching switch? For simplification, we all agree: Greatest HC of all time + greatest QB of all time = dynasty Greatest HC of all time - greatest QB of all time = mediocre, fired in 3 seasons Do you believe that McD without Josh would do better than Bill without Brady?

I didn’t quote you because I don’t believe you are interested in a real discussion outside of “I have faith in McDermott.” good for you but makes discussion useless.

So you’re saying that having an elite QB matters way more to compete for Super Bowls than the coach lol

Galaxy brain take is that BB converted the 2019-2021 Pats as a power running quick game offense, which was ahead of the curve based on what we saw in 2024.

Even if this is true, does it matter? BB proved to be pretty good when Brady was in his prime. Sure it petered off after a million Super Bowls when Tom was 1000 years old but who cares? Is the expectation that we are competing for championships 8-10 years from now when Josh retires? That’s unrealistic with any coach/GM. Furthermore, Bill won’t be coaching that far into the future.

Nothing is guaranteed. Like Sean McDermott’s improvement as a coach. 100% not guaranteed. He may be a solid coach who gets slapped around every year in the postseason (0-5 vs the Bengals and Chiefs there FYI) and never reaches the mountaintop, despite having an all time great QB, and ultimately remains one of the biggest “what ifs” in NFL history. Some folks want to wait to find out if that’s the case. I’ve seen enough. That’s okay.

IMO, if McD beats the Chiefs and wins a Super Bowl, he may be closer to top 5 than top 10. THATS a massive IF but that’s the game

Um these stats are just incorrect. McDermott is 0-5 in the playoffs against the Chiefs and the Bengals. He’s lost to the Chiefs in 2020, 2021, 2023, 2024. He lost the Bengals in 2022. Since the Bengals drafted Joe Burrow, McDermotts’ record vs the Chiefs and Bengals is 4-7. If you wanna give McD a “W” for beating a different Bengals or Chiefs team in 2017, go for it but that says more about his acumen as a coach than I could lol.

How many attempts does McDermott get to try to beat Andy Reid one time in the postseason?

It will be over at 0-5. Another devastating loss to the Chiefs in the postseason, where despite investing basically an entire offseason to the defense, the defense gets ripped through like wet toilet paper again, and Pegula will fire McD. Folks on here will get histrionic and act like the Bills are the new Sabres, and the new head coach will instantly win 11+ games again and it will all be forgotten.

“Trying to figure out how to get over the top” and “eliminating the weak link head coach” are not incongruous lol. But of course, you have to say “tear it down.” Just like Gary Kubiak “tore down” the Broncos after they fired John Fox after losing in the playoffs every year. Oh wait, no. They just won a Super Bowl. Just like when Jon Gruden “tore down” the Bucs after they fired Tony Dungy after losing in the playoffs every year. Oh wait, no. They just won a Super Bowl. but of course, with an elite QB and a GM I’m sure you think is excellent, it’s not just possible but LIKELY that firing McDermott is going to usher in a second era of darkness. Bizarro stuff.

If the Bills were in the NFC, we would still have had to play the Bengals and Chiefs in the last 4 Superbowls. We are 0-5 in the playoffs vs those teams. Not sure why you believe that would change in the NFC lol If the Bills were 0-4 in the Super Bowl vs the Chiefs and Bengals I would still want McD fired

Yeah you didn’t watch the Dolphins Titans game lol. You can “spit that crap too” because you started it with, “the Browns only made the playoffs because Burrow got hurt” lol

When McD goes 0-5 vs the Chiefs when it matters most, he will be fired. Heck, Josh may request it.

Yes? The Dolphins went 2-2 in their last 4 games, including losing an AWFUL game to the Titans. Otherwise, they would have been resting their starters week 18 as they would have locked up the division. Those same Titans (a 6 win team by the way) also played spoiler to the Jags week 18. If the Titans lost to the Jags and the Dolphins, the Bills miss the playoffs regardless if they win week 18 or not. Furthermore, the Bills trailed by 7 until the 4th quarter when we got an extremely lucky punt return. The Bills also needed a 5 game winning streak to have a chance to get in because they were .500 and in disarray in November lol I pointed it out first. When I said “Stefanski making the playoffs with a bad QB is as impressive as anything McDermott’s done.” Do you think I wasn’t talking about McDermott ALSO doing that lol Incredible! Imagine this take to defend a dude who is incapable of beating the Chiefs or the Bengals and can’t get past the conference finals lol

Take it another step further. If Miami and Jacksonville don’t implode week 18 in 2023, the Bills miss the playoffs. With Josh Allen at QB. No one is forgetting the TT year. the point is that McD’s claim to fame is sneaking into the playoffs once with a crappy QB. Which is exactly what Stefanski has done. not surprising though. Bills fans have an unhealthy attachment to that event. There was a hefty number who didn’t want to trade TT because “he broke the drought” and “who knows if the next QB is better, he could be worse!” 100% of them are still posting the exact same noise about McDermott.

Tbt

They used to say you should build your team to win your division. The Dolphins saw us with no WRs and decided to build a team with no CBs

I mean even if McD is running the draft/offseason and Beane is a glorified yes man, then his value to the org is effectively zero. Very confusing why you seem to harp on this as a defense of Beane.

Taiwan Jones Marcus Easley Dan Carpenter Colton Schmidt

I was really simplifying it because it’s not like there’s an elite franchise guy in Cleveland. I still stand by it though. to make the playoffs multiple times, with different QBs, with that horrific franchise, in that division, is just as impressive as anything McD has done. to take it one step further, if the Bills were in a division with the Steelers, Ravens and Bengals, we would have much less overall team success and McD would have probably been fired by now.