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What AJ Brown was traded for a first round pick in 2022

How many of their pending FAs were worth massive money that they can’t retain now? Furthermore, Rousseau has a 2025 cap hit of 5.8M, Bernard 2.5M, and Shakir 2.5M. It’s not like we needed $30M of space to retain those guys. I mean, maybe? Is there a possibility we look back at the Rousseau and Bernard extensions and call them mistakes? I think so. I lean towards extending early ALWAYS makes sense when the player is going to demand top of the market money. The Bills haven’t really had that outside of Josh and Diggs and they are batting .500 on those decisions from a team-building perspective.

If only the signed some impact players like Josh Palmer, Michael Knoect and Larry Ojunobi instead. Would you trade those dudes for Tee Higgins? Maybe if the Bengals threw in a couple picks too?

They were both risks. Different kind of risks sure but both risks. I don’t know what to call it, but it’s very funny to me that Beane tried to acquire Sanders, Diggs and Von mid season, was unable to close the deal and ended up getting them all a season or two later. day late and dollar short Beane.

I think Diggs the person is too much of a negative to offset Diggs the player as a positive when it comes to SB odds.

I honestly have no idea. I cannot even put myself in Mike Brown’s shoes but I do know he’s notoriously cash poor. Maybe he couldn’t afford it 2 years ago? Especially after paying Burrow. It wouldn’t shock me. I do think Burrow put the screws to them this offseason to retain Higgins in particular. We can say “they could have used that money elsewhere” but again, with a cash strapped owner, maybe they would have let Tee walk and also not been big spenders in FA if Burrow said nothing Just a weird situation all around.

Oops, got more for you @Mr. WEO ever heard of Patrick Chung? started in NE, left in FA for Philly and came back to play 6 more seasons in NE. 3 titles during his run. https://www.pro-football-reference.com/players/C/ChunPa99.htm man BB just never brought them back when he was “done” with them

Classic WEO. argues about this regime being able to coach up CB’s then isn’t sure what coaching up even means. Also, yeah when did BB ever let a player walk in FA then bring them back when they failed elsewhere. https://www.pro-football-reference.com/players/C/CollJa00.htm Oh yeah, he let Jamie Collins get overpaid in Cleveland, brought him back to start a whole season in NE, let him get overpaid in Detroit and brought him back for round 3 lol. Got some more for you @Mr. WEO Kyle Van Noy. https://www.pro-football-reference.com/players/V/VanNKy00.htm career took off in NE, left in FA for Miami and was back one year later. No idea what coaching up means and BB never brought them back I guess.

They are pacifying their QB. They don’t want another Carson Palmer. I wouldn’t have paid both but I get why they did. Keeping Burrow happy is franchise goal #1 Its the same reason the Bills take WR’s Josh likes or hire coaches he likes or pays players he likes

I think the point is that their two stars that folks seem to be arguing are some combination of: #1 not important #2 overpaid #3 cap flexibility killers are really ultimately less expensive and clearly more valuable than Knox and Milano.

Hes also going to be 26 next season, and after this season a decision will need to be made on his fifth year option. the odds of the Bills picking up that fifth year option have to be pretty low, relatively speaking, right?

That’s just our resident wizard (tm) at work.

AJ Brown and Devonta Smith combined have a lower cap hit in 2025 than Dawson Knox and Matt Milano combined.

Okay fine, I’ll go as high as a 6th rounder for Devonta and AJ. Then the Eagles can focus on more important things.

How are the Bengals prohibited from “drafting well in the trenches” because of these contracts? They had a long season to get to the SB. Is this how you analyze football? Only what happened in the last game matters or is important? Maybe Howie will trade us AJ for a 7th. Saquon had 25 carries for 57 yards in the Super Bowl.

Have you heard about Super Bowl Champions AJ Brown and Devonta Smith? Maybe they will trade us Devonta and AJ Brown for a 7th, they sound unimportant to the Eagles

What’s your definition of coaching up the CB position? I would argue taking a bunch of late rounders or UDFA’s with limited physical gifts that have very little chance to make a roster, let alone start and play, and getting them to play at a level much higher than their pedigree (which ends up being some of the best ball of their career), is the definition of coaching up the CB position. when Belichick got some 7th round defensive player to play well, then they left the team and predictably completely sucked and was cut, didn’t we say the difference was the coaching?

They were on the roster? The Bills aren’t going to keep every JAG at CB for a decade plus lol. Dane is back again already. What is your take? Levi wasn’t on the roster in 2017, that was EJ Gaines who was also fine with McD. Then we had two years of Levi, then we drafted Dane. Dane leaves in FA and White’s career ends, Elam busts and Benford hits. We have had a steady pipeline of guys who end up CB2 when healthy and aren’t complete disasters. For the last 8 seasons. I have no reason to consider that will end in year 9.

As a corollary, when the Bengals were bad, they drafted Burrow, Chase and Higgins. when the Bills were bad, we drafted Josh, Edmunds, Oliver, Ford. Not that the Bengals are elite drafters, but they did far better maximizing those picks before their run started. But that’s Beane’s game. He’s got an excuse ready to go. It was COVID’s fault we had limited cap space past 2020, not him overpaying stiffs like Star Loutoto. the Bills win too many games to draft superstars, except that year where we won 6 games, drafted the fifth best DT of the first round in the top ten, and drafted a total bust in the top of the second that he would turn around and trade for a fifth 2 years later. Two years from now he’ll probably say we don’t have cap space because we retained Rousseau and Bernard, but ignore the two JAGs he overpaid for that imo have limited chance of living up to their contracts. It’s far easier being a GM when you tear a team down and aren’t paying anybody. You can sign 6 OL FAs and cut/trade whoever underperforms and eat their dead money. It’s harder when the belt tightens.

Yeah but Beane literally said “we aren’t bad enough to pick a Jamar Chase.” He’s wrong. We were bad enough. He just didn’t pick a superstar. He picked Ed Oliver.

I mean KC and SF were both in the Super Bowl the year before and both continued to mange to make multiple conference championships and Super Bowls after. I’m sure Covid affected their team building strategy too. I’m also sure Beane has tried to make excuses. He made a similar hilarious excuse that’s it’s not his fault we aren’t drafting stars in the top 10, except we did draft in the top 10 and he just didn’t draft stars. Wentz was 11-2 as a starter in 2017 and they won the SB after he went down for injury. Anyone saying he wasn’t important for that SB season is just wrong. If Josh went down after week 13 and the Bills won a Super Bowl, you would build Beane a shrine in your closet.

Do we think Philly got extra first round picks by magic or because their GM made some shrewd trades?

This forum is finicky. last year, I started a topic about Josh’s turnovers and said if he cuts them down, he’s probably the undisputed best QB in the league and we win more games. I got annihilated for even saying that. This season, he cuts them down, he wins MVP, and we get the closest to a SB appearance in his career. You just gotta let the takes fly and brave the slings and arrows. It’s because there’s two lines of thoughts. ”Brandon beane is good because he did X, Y, Z.” That’s fine but what is the definition of good? Someone agreeing with a move? Why do they agree? ”Brandon Beane is good because I would stack his resume against every current GM in the NFL and he would rank anywhere from 3 to 7.” there’s at least some comparison there and that makes it more valid to me Imo. i really just think 90% of the folks on the board don’t pay attention to the NFL at large and thus have no basis for comparison of what is “good” or “bad”

Fox Sports has him at 13 over the last 3 years on low volume targets.

Obviously Roseman is going nowhere. To me, it’s more a litmus test of if you know ball. If you feel really strongly that Brandon Beane is a better GM than Roseman, I just exclude your opinion entirely.