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Who? Singletary looks like a replacement level type of guy, so that’s fine, he starts. Moss has done less than nothing and the GM call the back-up RB he spent a second round pick on a “replacement back”, IE back up/change of pace guy. There’s one guy who can even be argued as a starter.

Show him stuck in the dog pound, looking all hungry, sad music playing in the background, “for only 1.1 Million a game, you can save this poor QB, give him a chance to live free and play again” (breaks to a highlight reel of Baker running around throwing the ball with smiles on his face). “Call today and do your part to save this boy from the Pound”.

That’s what Watson did to get the largest full guarantee contract ever, should work for Baker too.

Yet the Bills have wasted a second and 2 thirds on it over the last 3 years and STILL don’t have a starter.. unreal.

1) you want Beane to get credit for identifying the Wyatt talent, but not take the blame for giving up an All-Pro for a 5th round pick… not how that works, but ok. 2) Thus far both Moss and Epenesa have been huge busts. 3) The line rotation is evidence that you have no talent, do we rotate Diggs, Allen, our entire OL out? No, there are clear starters. Groot played well for a rookie, as I said, I like him, but is he genuinely a difference maker? Not yet. I have high hopes for him. The question mark for Boogie is just what you said, a second round pick spent on a DE who couldn’t really crack a pitifully untalented rotation. If you refuse to believe the talent wasn’t there, look at what happened in the off-season, the starter across from Groot, who got the MOST action, can’t find a job and the primary back up landed on the worst team in football after all the other options dried up. That’s not good. 4) Oliver is still not producing at top 10 pick level, your argument is as dumb as arguing the Bills made the right pick by taking EJ Manuel in the first round, what other QB were they going to take that year? Why take an average player at one position when there are plenty of others to take at…. Here it comes… one of the OTHER 21 starting positions. Oliver is not any better than the other average guys taken at his position that year, which is bad enough, but look through all the players taken after him, there’s not one guy in the first 2 rounds you wouldn’t trade him for? There are quite a few. Drafting for need gets you a less talented roster. I’ll take a Top 10 player at any position vs a mediocre player to fill a hole any day. This is the problem with what the Bills have done under Beane. ONE player they have drafted to fill a need has become great. The rest are average to mediocre. The talent they have passed on in the process, would have made a better team. “So unless you're lumping Moss/Singletary into two separate groups to help prove your point, or are considering one of Harrison Phillips, Cody Ford, AJ Epenesa, Dawson Knox, Boogie Basham, or Spencer Brown to be an under sized “motor” guy, I'm not sure who you're talking about from Rounds 1-3.” News flash, Singletary, Phillips, Epenesa, Basham are all less than ideal size/physical attributes (slow AF comes to mind) and all classified as motor guys. Moss, known for effort (ie motor), but slow, also is not prototypical size, so they all fit in the same category. Knox, athlete with issues, same for Brown, they worked out, which I have given credit for. Ford? The guy who was said to be too slow to play OT, but they tried to make play OT? He’s not quite the same, but it’s more of a trying to be smarter than everyone else and it sure has not worked. This year he drafted 2 stud athletes with picks one and 2, I still don’t see Cook as a good pick, but whatever, then turned right back to the motor guy with no position for the 3rd round. It’s a habit he can’t break and it hasn’t worked yet, so why keep pretending it has?

Sounds like a possible safety conversion, might be another Poyer Type from the sounds.

I went push for the Pats, I don’t see a major change in talent, but I also don’t think they will be anything special at all. I don’t see Mac taking a big step forward, which is the real issue for them. Dolphins added a lot, still hinges on Tua, it’s do it die for him this year. Jets added A LOT of talent, if Wilson can be respectable this year, they will sneak out a few more wins than people think. I see a 6-8 win season for them, IF Wilson puts it together, they are not going to be a fun team to play, especially late in the year when the Rookies hit stride. The Bills honestly are just a little better, the OL didn’t get addressed in a meaningful way, sorry not buying it. The only REAL addition is Saffold and he’s a major injury concern. The WR core got torn apart, time will tell on that, it hinges on Davis breaking out. I think he can/will, but he has to do it or the O will slow down. I know people are all excited about Cook, but he’s going to struggle to get on the field, he couldn’t block me coming as a blitzer and that’s a big deal. If I had to bet, at least early on, he is going to see more time out wide than actually running the ball, cool, but doesn’t address RB still. The D is relying on Groot to step up big and an aging Miller to get some pressure, I expect them to be better. We shall see, especially early when we are running a very inexperienced secondary out there. Once Tre gets back and hopefully Elam claims his spot, it should be better than last year. I expect the first 6 weeks or so to be a little rough. The best thing, Josh Allen is still in the house and looks stronger than ever, he will make up for a lot of the questions. I don’t really expect the Bills record to improve much, if at all, this season. The division got harder and there are plenty of challenges on the schedule.

I don’t think it was really wise of him to say what he did. He’s not wrong, he just shouldn’t have said it. A simple, “Malik has a lot of great attributes, we’ll be working side by side everyday. Competition makes us all better.” would have saved him looking like an ass about it. Now he looks bitter and like a guy who will never be ok being a bridge QB. There’s 15-25M a year in that gig for a guy like him. I’m not saying that’s where he’ll end up, but he may well have cost himself 100M on the back side of his career.

Owen is an intriguing player, super athletic and been playing OT at a high level, not the best measurables, but good player nonetheless.

I’m sure he will continue to be mediocre and get paid well for being tall.

The fact he’s not vital means he’s not vital.

First and foremost, I clearly stated Beane has solidly whiffed on 1st through 3rd round picks, outside of Allen. So starting with your lists: 2018: Allen 1st Lack luster starter in Edmunds The others don’t fit, but Taron (5th)has been good. The All Pro G is on another team because Beane gave him away.. still want that? 2019: 1st Again no where near top 10 production 2nd bust 3rd Mediocre RB they have tried drafting 2 replacements for. Knox has developed - you win 2020: Didn’t draft Diggs. Traded for him, didn’t have to Actually project talent. 2nd round Bust. 3rd round Bust. 2021: I like Groot, but he’s a starter by name only, rotational player who started bc of lack of talent Beane signed to his position. May work out well, let’s see. 2nd round? 3rd Brown looks good so far. You named plenty of guys they could have chosen, even one at the same position, over Oliver.

Well said. I’m a little harsher on the decision to give Edmunds the 5th year guarantee and multiple head scratching FA signings with unnecessary guarantees. I think Beane, especially for a new GM has been solid, Allen has made him look like a God. Could not agree more on McD.

The Bills also thought Cody Ford, Zach Moss, etc were top prospects, let’s not get so up in Beane’s jock strap, we forget he’s missed a LOT on 1st-3rd round picks. They haven’t added a single starting caliber LB since Beane took over, continue to waste pick after pick on mediocre RBs, under sized “motor” guys and worst of all they are doing it in the first 3 rounds. The only pick they have nailed has been Allen, it covers up a lot. Brown looks good so maybe we give them 2 picks in their time they have hit on in the first 3 rounds of any draft. Before the fan boys get here, yes Oliver is solid, but no where near top 10 pick production in any category.

Nope, it’s about context. The Bills have nobody in the Lb group that can set an edge, unless you count Miller as an LB. All too light or high centered. There’s a difference between short and actually undersized. All those guys were just short, still built like a tree trunk. The difference in the Bills LBs is they are small. With the exception of Edmunds who is the classic, looks like Tarzan plays like Jane, they are all short and light and still not very fast, it’s basically a group of guys that weren’t fast enough to play SS.

I agree with what you are saying, I was simply responding to the fact we don’t see the same D scheme from Carolina where the MLB would set an edge and the others would run to the ball because Edmunds gets trucked every time he takes on a lineman. I agree, I don’t think that’s the D that’s been built here and I don’t think this D will be the right one for the future as the wave turns towards running again, but for now, it serves to slow down the pass.

The only thing he shares with Dalvin is a name.

Just a shame Beane is letting the coach make the team his good ole boy club. So many wasted picks this draft. Elam had better be a hit or this will go down as the worst draft ever under Beane. As for the D getting bigger with him in instead of Johnson, it sounds good, BUT you get slower and lose coverage ability, so unless the team you are playing goes to 2 WR, when is he getting on the field? He’s not taking the job of either of the LBs and he’s not a safety, so he’s not going on the field as an extra guy in pass coverage that can defend the run. He’s a tweener, he’ll likely suffer the same fate most of them do, be a ST player or cut.

Step one, have a LB who can actually set the edge, Edmunds gets tossed like a rag doll.

I’d agree with this. I think the depth of the roster is grossly overstated to be honest. The offense is good and the WRs have looked good because you have Allen covering flaws. If Diggs misses time, I think the O is in trouble. Maybe Davis is ready to step into the spot light, but we don’t know. He hasn’t taken the #1 role and proven it doesn’t matter who you put in him like Diggs has. I think there were quality guys that could have been taken in the second, frankly I thought they should have gone up a couple spots and secured McBryde as he was coming down the board. Knox is going to command big money next season and I would have been looking at a short term up grade, long term replacement scenario, the depth at TE is thin. There was line help available and LBs that made sense too. Reaching for a RB was not a good play. I don’t really agree Hall was the only one they could want, but I didn’t see any point in drafting Cook, you have the same skill set on the roster in Duke Williams and you saw the market value of it in McKissic, why spend a second on that? Totally agree on the throw away pick at OL, the guy has next to zero chance of making the practice squad, seemed like another complete waste. You should go BPA unless there is a glaring hole to fill with a player that’s nearly equal. They didn’t, they haven’t, and it’s hurt a lot. This regime has forced pick after pick for need, it needs to stop and people need to quit believing Beane is drafting BPA, he’s not. From his very first draft he has forced picks to fill holes, even Allen was a forced pick, obviously that was a great one, but then Edmunds to fill their LB scheme, to Ford, to Oliver etc. they have gone with intentions to fill holes, not just take the best talent, that’s how you end up missing great players.

You need to watch the crazy kicks Arazia has had, from the goal line the ball FLEW to the opposing 18. The kid can bomb it. I honestly don’t think Allen can throw it that far. That said, Bojo has a huge leg and is gone, JaMarcus Russle had a huge arm and was gone in no time, none of it matters unless it’s refined. The kid has a lot to prove just to take Haacks job.

That’s a 5th round pick, where you are taking fliers and looking for ST players, 3rd round picks are still top 100 players, you are looking for starters, completely different.

They don’t use WRs anyway, why waste a pick on one? This, all this. I think the Chiefs drafted some names and I think a couple of them Karlaftis specifically, will struggle to translate, but I get the love they have gotten, especially if those guys do find success I don’t project. Ravens killed it. The Jets really shined, but there are a couple there I wonder about translating to NFL too.

I think it’s based on what you came away with based on your available capital. The Bills look to have reached in at least the second and third rounds and gave up their 4th for a guy that most had as a borderline 1st round pick. To be clear, I have no problem with the first round pick or giving up the 4th to make sure they got their guy. I do think Cook was an obvious reach, even to them as they traded down TWICE, before picking him. I think they wanted McBride and completely panicked when he went 1 pick before them, no proof, just a hunch. He was a good pick at a position of high value, especially looking at next year, and what he could bring this year. Immediately, they traded down and down, to take a third round player in the late second and I still feel they over drafted him. Then there’s the real WTF pick of the draft in the third. Nothing in the 4th and from there on out, I view it as fliers on potential. They got great potential in the back half of the draft. Honestly, I think the draft sucked. I see exactly 1 player in the first 5 rounds that looks like a starter and that would hold for the whole draft, but there is a punter in there that has potential. To me, and I’m a nobody, this is the worst draft of the McBeane era. Anyway, long and short, you work with what you have and you need to maximize the players you can get. You get the best talent or you don’t. This is the first draft where I strongly believe they picked for needs instead of BPA. I get it, they needed a CB and I like Elam. Everything else, besides possibly Arizia was a need pick (yeah it’s still a need, but at least I can buy the BPA argument). This was more Buddy Nix than Beane to me. I have the Bills draft closer to the bottom 1/4 on this draft than the top half, but we shall see.

I think the back half of the Bills draft saved them on the ratings. No surprise the Jets got the top grade, they look to have crushed it. The Ravens and Chiefs also looked good. The best part is seeing the Pats dead ass last, which is not so Strange.