Mikie2times

The only time I have experienced that much emotional wreckage from a game was throwback. Even for Bills fans, at some point it looks over. That one looked over and it was accomplished in incredible fashion. We have had some crazy heartbreak in the regular season, but it hits different in the playoffs.

No pole no bueno

Obviously we don't know, but I would think some early numbers got tossed around and they weren't close from his perspective. Which likely left him with some feels. So instead of throwing in half his chips, he went all in. If neither side ever had communication prior and this was his first move then ya, weird and stupid. That makes no sense to me but who knows.

Thinking we need a player roast thread I agree that is what happened. It just made me laugh how you delivered it.

Just that you say 😆

Cooks is going to go down the path of doing the least he has to do without impacting his potential contract value next year. Can't say I blame him either. If he drops 1300+ yards with double digit touchdowns nobody is going to remember or care what he did prior to the start of the season. If he gets injured or underperforms nobody is going to say, well at least he went to camp. In the end this stuff is fairly meaningless to whatever the long term outcome is for the Bills and for Cook.

Lets go big here...... The Bills had a rather extravagant 16th birthday for Tremaine this offseason. Kincaid fit right in with the rest of the high schoolers. Keon tried to attend but by the time he arrived it was two week later. Steph came by for old times sake and spread pink fairy dust to all partygoers. It really was was a good time until Von's x wife showed up. That whole situation just left a black eye on the party. When it was over New England was awarded a 3rd round pick.

I think the intention is to still have Josh run with it about 90% of the time. If/when defenses want to get overzealous, he will have options for a big play. As we saw with KC in the regular season when the defenses wants to condense like that a big play can also very easily happen in the run game. I don't think it is something we do literally every 4th and short, but I would like to see it much more frequently vs being so dependent on the sneak

Oh hell ya....

Wow, he does a hell of job! Thanks lady 😍

Great thread, all my favorites have already been listed but I always liked this version of Wicked Games.

I think Ben Johnson said he hates the sneak because it eliminates the chance at a big play. Some might not feel this way, but I always want Allen in shotgun on 4th and 1 with a run pass option. We might convert a few less, but we might also hit some home runs that could change the outcome of a game. Allen is just too dangerous in that spot to telegraph everything on the sneak. It's a waste of what could be possible in that situation.

When most people say winning a Super bowl is the only thing that matters I think people are taking that a bit out of context in this thread. It isn't literally the only thing that matters. I'm sure most would prefer watching a Bills team that is 1-15 vs it being the offseason. Watching a successful Bills team vs an unsuccessful one. Most of us live and breath this team and we love the great moments the Bills give us even if it's not Everest. I doubt many people here are watching as Allen does something impossible, leaping into the end zone, then exclaiming, "its not the Super Bowl Josh! Calm the F down!". The Super Bowl only people still are enjoying this run a great deal. We just aren't overly excited about celebrating milestones like AFC east champions, winningest team of this _____, winningest coach of that. We know we are good. We enjoy the team. We just raised the bar of what success is or isn't at this point. So when the year is over and we are left to reflect on it, without that accomplishment, it is getting harder to say the year was a success. A lot of good times can still be had even if that ends up being the conclusion.

I wasn't talking about your take in my response but I see why it seemed that way. I agree with your take. I was just adding that Buffalo does the stat padding in a way that is somewhat historic. I have speculated a part of that is playing with the lead so much in the regular season. Which makes teams unbalanced. Mind you we can't stop either the run or the pass in the postseason, but the fact that both are a constant threat, when in the regular season so much of the time offenses are one dimensional. I'm nearly certain that is part of it. But it's a lot of things I'm sure.

Kincaid really added some muscle this year

The top graph is the increase or decrease in performance of EPA offense, regular season vs postseason since 2020 The bottom graph is the increase or decrease in performance of EPA defense, regular season vs postseason since 2020 So while most teams do perform worse defensively in the postseason, I would argue no team in NFL history has fallen so drastically as we have. Dallas is twice as bad as the next team in that sample and we are 50% worse than Dallas. The why has been talked about to nauseous levels. I'm only bringing this up again because I saw a post that was just factually not close.

Vs Skyler Thompson, Mason Rudolph, Mac Jones, and Bo Nix we allowed 18 PPG, 271 Yards, 18 First Downs, 4.8 Yards per play Vs Joe Burrow, Phillip River, Lamar Jackson (2nd game) 25 PPG, 433 Yards, 27 First Downs, 6.4 Yards per play Vs Kansas City 35 PPG, 430 Yards, 27 First Downs, 7.1 Yards per play In the only other playoff game not listed, the Ravens/Bills wind game, we were only able to score 10 offensive points on 220 yards and 17 First downs. Neither team did anything offensively that game. A total of 13 offensive points were scored. So when conditions are clearly not impacting output it's been any competent QB, not just KC. But you know this already because it's been talked about a thousand times. If you want to ignore it or bucket it another way that is up to you. Really nothing more to talk about on this topic.

I thought he was one of the best TE prospects in some time. Looked like that for awhile as well until his injury. I imagine he will still produce a few great years. He was just unreal with the Gators.

It's a pretty amazing location, tons of Bills fans, love it here 😍

Chat GPT did well here. Can you discuss the pros and cons of being a fan of an NFL team that is very good and very successful over a prolonged period but never wins the super bowl Pros 🏈 1. Consistent Enjoyment Your team wins a lot of games, often dominates the regular season, and makes deep playoff runs. Sundays (and sometimes Mondays or Thursdays) are generally fun and hopeful. You can count on exciting football nearly every year. 🏆 2. Relevance and Respect Your team is in national conversations, featured in prime-time games, and often considered a contender. Players earn Pro Bowl and All-Pro honors, and the team earns league-wide respect, even if they don’t win it all. 💬 3. Bragging Rights (Sort Of) You get to chirp fans of teams that are truly bad or dysfunctional — “At least we’re not the [insert struggling team here].” You enjoy rivalry games with higher stakes. 📈 4. Hope Every Year Offseasons are filled with "just one piece away" optimism. The window to win feels open for a long time, which is rare in the NFL’s parity-driven system. Cons 🫠 1. Crushing Disappointment Losing in the playoffs — especially in heartbreaking or controversial fashion — can be emotionally exhausting. Each year ends with “maybe next year,” which gets heavier the longer the drought continues. 😐 2. Perceived Failure Despite Success Success without a Super Bowl leads to labels like “chokers,” “frauds,” or “underachievers.” Even great players or coaches may be undervalued historically due to the lack of a championship ring. 😬 3. High Expectations Become a Burden Every year starts with Super Bowl hopes. When it doesn’t happen, the disappointment stings more than if the team were just average. Fans of these teams often swing between extreme confidence and fatalism. 📉 4. Legacy Issues Without a title, eras that should be celebrated (like the 2000s Chargers, early 2010s Falcons, or recent Bills/49ers) are viewed as missed opportunities. Hall of Fame debates can turn into “but he never won the big one.” Examples of Fanbases Living This Buffalo Bills (especially the 1990s and current Josh Allen era) Minnesota Vikings (multiple great teams, 0 titles) San Francisco 49ers post-1995 (lots of NFC title game appearances, no recent rings) Cincinnati Bengals in the Burrow era (so far) Philadelphia Eagles before 2017 Bottom Line Being a fan of a consistently great but ringless team is a paradox. You get joyful consistency, meaningful football, and hope. But that same consistency makes the ultimate failure more bitter, with each near-miss deepening the longing for just one championship to validate the journey. It’s like being so close to the summit of Everest year after year — but always stuck just below the peak

1998 Minnesota = Gary Anderson choke job 2007 New England = Giants Upset These teams that are super successful and don't win one are ultimately remembered for not winning. Not for winning. EX: 13 seconds.

If they're remembered at all, it's as paper tigers and choke artists. Not exactly a legacy that is that appealing. To say they're remembered for anything positive at this stage is poppyballs.

Raiders had the Steelers, Colts had the Patriots, Dallas had the 49ers. It's not like the Chiefs can't be beat. If they're worthy enough they will, if they aren't they won't. That is sort of the point I'm making?

Agree it doesn't need to be discussed in literally every thread. We all know it and feel it.

Name 5 highly successful teams that never went to a Super Bowl that history holds in high regard? Hell, name 3?