Mikie2times

Yup. People are right, largely last season the run wasn’t an issue. Until we faced Baltimore AGAIN. Then it was like how can we possibly stop the run? Everybody on this board was freaked out (rightfully so, they dropped 200+ on us the last time). They did it again after, we did literally the best possible job we could in the first half. We forced multiple fumbles. Got a key drop at the end. Won the game we would have lost if they put 5 more minutes on the clock. Now the Beane fan club is like, meh. Don’t need run defense. Doesn’t matter. We are good there. 😂 it’s just classic fan boy crap you see on here. Not even worth arguing with them.

Who are the clear 2 down nose guys Beane has pursued lately? Linval Joseph was the last I believe? We just don’t care about the role. What I landed on

So far I have heard, that’s what the Eagles did. We didn’t lose because of our run defense. Our run defense is good. People are over reacting. This kid could be really good, and if so ultimately a really good player matters more than anything else. But most of the above call outs are just off the mark. Eagles were #1 in DVOA run defense, and it was a legitimate number #1. They defended every blade of grass. They put teams in consistent passing situations. Which is what happens when you stuff the run. Which really allows your DL to go off. Putting teams in clear passing situations is what we excel at in the regular season when we play cup cakes and build leads and oh my gosh, the pass rush looks so much better! What a mystery when it disappears in the playoffs 🤷‍♂️ Buffalo will concede the rush, depend on timely run blitzes, sell out to generate a TFL. Lots of times that works out, but when it doesn’t it can get ugly. Look at how the Colts attacked us when they routed us by nearly 40 at home, Baltimore taking us apart (and it requiring literally a perfect effort to beat them in our house the second time). Baltimore is not going away. Nor is it likely the Eagles will be either (if we can make it that far). Physical teams that can run the ball have been this teams Achilles heal from day one of the McD regime. It doesn’t tend matter as much in the regular season but past the wild card round it will become a vulnerability. We rank 15 out of 18 teams in run defending success rate and EPA run defense in the divisional round or later since 2020. Certainly the deeper you go, being a great run defending team is basically table steaks. It sets up the DL to eat in the passing game and travels. We don’t prioritize run defense in this system and despite the NFL clearly trending more in that direction it doesn’t feel like we will be changing with it. This isn’t about TJ Sanders as much as it is about the Bills and the system they have. Most people who are angry at the pick are just angry at that part of it. Sanders could end up being a really good player and ultimately if that happens it won’t really matter.

10 minute time of advantage, wearing down, and just getting beat up by 3 back up offensive lineman. But happy says no, got it 😂

We got outrushed 172 to 64 vs the Bengals. We lost to the Chiefs because they have a strong interior defense and stuffed us multiple time. We were another 5 minutes from losing to Baltimore at home. After about what, 420+ yards in two games? How do you think Barkley and the Eagles would have worked out in the Super Bowl? Our run defense is smoke and mirrors. You can debate if the player is or isn’t right, but to argue this run defense isn’t a serious problem just minimizes your position.

And when Baltimore curb stomps our 300 pounders? When Philly does? You forget, this is becoming a running league. Jones will only get worse, we depend on run blitzing and leads to defend the rush. At the end of the day nobody knows. But to me it’s the same philosophy that has lead us to our playoff collapses. What works in the regular season won’t work in the playoffs. As we have shown time and time again. That’s involves run defense. 130+ rushing yards in the 4 of 5 playoff losses.

Really what? Our interior defense is maxing out at 310. That’s not the Eagles by a stretch. They have a physical interior DL. We don’t.

Who are the Eagles DT’s? You drop a 2nd round pick for a rotational pass rushing DT? Same old.

Cool, exactly what we needed to trade up, Ed Oliver’s back up

Oh ya, dummy

Pretty sure the last 1st round TE was Kincaid

I always knew he could defy gravity

So much good and so much bad and it will probably always be that way. They serve a purpose when they don't get overbearing.

This has nothing to do with immigration. But if you want to grab those farming jobs the illegals like, you can bring them all back. I'm sure the unions would love it.

I worked from nothing to get where I'm at. So I don't feel that way at all, but I never cried about how the game was rigged hoping the rules would change. You know the rules. If you don't get your degree you're looking at about a sub 5% chance of ever clearing six figures. Maybe less than that. If you want to go into the trade? You know what the average pay is, not good. You know what your job stability looks like, not good either. We are responsible for the path we take and the outcomes of that path. So tell me why our society should change the rules, have everybody else who played by them pay more, for those that failed the game?

Agree, both sides largely agree with the class war and have similar anger about the upper ____ %. I think both parties are in bed with the wrong people. Our process for funding elections basically guarantees that to be the case. Politicians are indebted to the corporations that got them elected. Neither have represented most of us for a very long time. I wish THAT is something all of us could get together on. Instead we are fragmented on largely social issues.

He won't be making 30k. It will be a unionized slob making more like 75k to sell you a TV that is 4x as much. The entire argument is to shift the playing field to the uneducated, underqualified, generally lower academically performing population in the US. They're Americas new socialist party. The dumb, white, disenfranchised.

Hell, you could get a 55-60 inch LCD for sub $300

On a serious note, you guys both are very articulate and excellent speakers. You did a great job not interrupting each other, flowing, and sounding natural. This was really well done guys!

I'm disappointed I can no longer assign whatever English accent I want to your posts.

Is he pro life? No Will his agenda support low income? No Is he a very religious man? No Does he support the beliefs of the people that voted for him? No The whole not trusting him part really isn't that hard. He is a reflection of whatever will provide him publicity and power. He's not the only politician guilty of these things.

I agree with all of this and everything you wrote in the other response. If everybody who ever partied and did the wrong thing at the wrong time is no longer capable of leadership we would be pretty directionless. If Norwood's kick or Thurman's fumble goes another way then we probably never even hear about this. Perhaps we laugh at it. Past the partying, look at his battle vs cancer. The dude is tough and resilient and that is exactly who he was on those teams. Those teams, above all else, were tough and resilient teams.

Just to recap, as I fought this fight. Warren Moon was better. Dan Marino would have won multiple Super Bowls with this team. Jim wasn't a leader, if he was he wouldn't have partied before the Super Bowls. Now to his credit, most of this isn't Kirby, in fact, I think Kirby largely agreed with what you wrote (because I wrote something very similar). I'm just sharing the collection of what I have heard debated upthread as I share a very similar opinion as you. I also agree, I think it is an honest conversation to ask ourselves how good one of our icons actually was. As icons often get a little more love than they should. For many of us, Jim was the QB during our adolescences which makes it even more nostalgic and gushy. The fact is, Jim didn't play well in the playoffs and as a whole, he likely wasn't one of the top 2-3 QB's of that era. But as you point out, I think we need to be careful to over correct. When you look at the all time passer charts, Kelly is anchored in a space that makes it pretty fair to call him a Hall of Famer. As well as one of the all time greats for the Bills. If anybody wants to say he's a top 3 guy all time, I would argue against that pretty quickly but from what I can tell most here are being fairly honest about what he was and wasn't. Then another group seems fairly bitter towards the guy which I don't really get, but some people are just bitter in general.

They all pretty much say the same thing. The athletic is the primary one. You're correct, I don't follow a nationally irrelevant program as close as somebody who went to school there like you. As I said, the ACC is a trash conference for football (soon to be basketball if not already). Anybody could come out of it. Which should leave a pretty good path for him if he can take advantage of it. Would I be completely shocked if he did? Certainly not. I wouldn't be shocked if he totally tanked or had a lot of success (whatever success means, beating Duke or Wake Forest something).