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He's 1-4 in NFC championship games and a decade removed from his last Super Bowl. I know you didn't compare him to Favre, but if I was, it would be to say they have had a very similar ride. Almost stunning. Individual accolades and fame received for being either the best or among them pale in comparison to team hardware. I don't know how much blame I would place on Rodgers. I'm too far outside the GB organization to know the innards of that team. It is rather remarkable they can never seem to make it past the Divisional or NFC Championship. I think if people were to ask right now if Allen has an identical career to Rodgers do we consider that successful? I don't mean in the context of when we drafted Allen, but right now given many feel he is among the best in the league for years to come. I would think anybody should answer that without hesitation, Rodgers is looked at among the all time greats, but given the lack of success in SB wins and appearances, I don't know if I would be happy. More tormented and frustrated that it never amounted to more. It's a weird situation and I'm curious if he leaves how that ends up looking for all involved. Please keep him out of the AFC.

This is a great thread, it would be so interesting to meet some of you and find out how you arrived where you're or if you have always been there how did you come to be a Bills fan. Sounds like some good offseason discussion.

Did you see Josh's post game after New England? It wasn't an act. He really didn't care what just happened. After a year of being a Super Bowl contender and taking everybody's best shot. An AFC championship loss. Two straight playoff losses. We are dealing more with a team who understands how hard it is to get to the Super Bowl and is no longer content in just making the playoffs. I hope no more lessons need to be learned. It doesn't appear like it right now. Josh was so cold blooded last week after that stunning performance.

I don't think it matters at all. I don't even think last week mattered to them outside knowing they needed to do what they did last week to get to KC.

I say this based on no data to back it up, but I think once a team has reached a Super Bowl recently the bye really can help. As an example it helped New England for a really long time. It could/would help a team like KC right now as well as the Bucs had they got it. I always thought it really helped the Bills in the 90's. If you really are the best team, and you have experience, I think it helps a ton. As for the rest of them, it's a wash.

Wanted to draft him.

Black QB’s have it easy. Thanks for trying to even the playing field 😂

Unless I think I have a legit shot at a title, I don't think I'm playing for BB.

If McKenzie is capable of being our number one option against hill in 7 days time, all our DB's need to go.

He looks so tiny in that video. He's developed so much physically.

He's a passing scrambler, which is pretty rare. A few have existed. Probably the most comparable in ability to do both in my eyes would be Steve Young, but Josh is clearly much different than Steve Young. Both are passing scramblers but Young was like a symphony and Allen is like a Metallica concert. Young was much more refined. Allen is just a savage. Russell Wilson also has a similar game, but again, just much different. Any comp you can think of needs a touch of amphetamine, 3 inches, 30 pounds, and some uncle Rico.

So did the Bills REALLY know?

I think a lot of this is based on him being a stride runner. I think stride runners have that slower start and stop, but sneaky top end and if you put that in a TE's body with a FB's brain. The Josh Allen experience is certainly what to call it. Nothing like him exists.

That is how I see it, it just couldn't have been missed in this obvious of a way. I see him growing into being even more athletic in the Pro's and then combining that with his competitive nature and a need to survive. I think he just was forced to try it more when he was a rookie and then built a ton of confidence in his ability likely starting with the leap in Minnesota.

Josh has turned out to be an elite running QB. It's a huge part of his game and has given us some incredible moments over the years with his hurdles and running over defenders. I guess the question is, did the Bills know what he was capable of outside of some mobility? This isn't mobility, this is the 2nd best running QB in the NFL. Josh ran an unofficial, 4.76 and in college had 767 yards on 237 carries, a 3.2 average Lamar had an unofficial 4.34 and in college had 4,132 yards on 655 carries, a 6.3 average Would anybody considered passing on Allen if they knew his ability to run was this strong? As far as arm talent, he was a consensus #1 in the draft. We haven't seen a prospect with top arm talent and elite running come out of the draft since Michael Vick. Running ability as a QB seems to be an area that teams don't really miss on in evaluation. It's shocking we have a guy who didn't flash it to this extent until his pro career. Did anybody really know? Thoughts?

Glad I scrolled up

It's more the team than just Josh, but really, for me, it boils down to winning a SB at this point. That is the standard the rest of his career as well as for this team. That's the accomplishment that says we were able to take all this unity, pride, and talent and be consistent with it against the best competition for 4 weeks. To me that's all he has left to prove.

Classy as usual. It was nuts, looked like 6, came out of the frame so late.

Bill has no idea how to deal with Allen's hybrid ability.

If I'm an opposing fan, Allen has to be so demoralizing. Almost like what it felt when Jones scrambled for the two first downs on the opening drive but just all the time.

Despite our rejuvenated running game, I see Bill going more in the mold of the 1990's Giants. Control the ball. Force Buffalo to win with the RB run game.

I live under a rock, turning my TV on only for games and Netflix. Radio only for music. This year I watched more YouTube and ran into his takes with Tasker and Chris Brown. Then I saw Angry runs etc. He's one of the few people I will spend time watching. I never understood his connection to Buffalo but he seems to have one? I see some negative posts. Has our brand gotten so strong that we get to pick who talks about us now and not just be happy we get some national pub?

It's good work OP. I'm very familiar with AV, it's not an exact science but the guys at pro football reference do great with data collection and simple summary. All they attempted to build with AV is a way to compare different positions or the same positions across different eras. AV is far from perfect but anybody that slights it, I would happily challenge to create a better ranking system for what they're attempting to capture. They will even admit it's flawed in the summary but still fun and informative.

Slick ball, very difficult on the kicking game. Many of us remember the #1 coldest game and the very memorable play from Tasker. I will never know if The Raiders meant to squib it, but Tasker plucked a kickoff line drive and returned it inside the 3 yards line shifting momentum. We score, then missed the extra point. That didn't happen with Christie. It's going to be hard on kickoffs, extra points, and any field goals with length. I used to do some kicking in addition to more masculine roles, but it's incredible how different it is to kick a ball that's slightly deflated vs very inflated. You get way more distance on a partially deflated ball. When it's cold like this you just don't get any recoil with the football. It doesn't travel. It's also very hard to hold onto and catch. Concerned about our punting unit after last week. You also know damn well Bill knows the science I'm describing with football pressure and temps better than anybody. They will probably be blow torching balls on the sidelines prior to FG's.