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The Cheifs just have the right ingredients on defense. Late movement can still confuse Josh and they can pressure with just four. On offense Hill, Kelse, and Mahomes are likely all three the best in the league. Hill has to be one of the most dangerious WR's to ever play the game. His stats don't say it yet, maybe never will, but just watching how he moves. You can just see it.

I don’t know when in the last 30 years we have been. People just love the element of weather in Bills games. It’s part of the teams culture IMO. Similar in Green Bay.

I hurt from what I did to myself last night and I can't see my screen very well. Just join the man love for our team.

Perhaps what I like most about this team, while these are professionals, they act like they are playing high school ball together. You don't see this from professional sports teams. I don't recall a former Bills team that ever behaved this way. I feel like a lot of that is Josh being the leader and the process. Josh, just being very laid back, funny, and in the process we only look at higher character people. The MC Hammer video was probably the most clear moment in just seeing it all but if you followed this team all year and listened to the interviews you know it's not lip service. Allen and Diggs seem like they probably have sleep overs building forts, ordering pizza, and playing madden all night. It's a youthful team that has this weird energy to them, almost child like. Has anybody else noticed this as strong as I have? Can you think of an example of any other teams (any sport) where the players have seemed to bond like this?

Ok OP, so awful title. That said, Josh is still more than capable of getting shook or stopped. Certainly by a top defense. That's not an insult. Rodgers went into Tampa this year and got destroyed. What I want to see is high level performance in high stakes games against good teams. We HAVE seen it, but the more we see it, the more likely we are to be a true SB contender. This is the main area I just don't think Allen is at Mahomes level yet. Mahomes is near Brady levels as far as what he will do on the final possession and it not being relevant who the defense is in those moments.

I think what we are seeing is the NFL building offenses that are a better fit for mobile QB's because the hit rate on traditional QB's is so low and the college game is producing a large % of pretty gifted mobile QB's. That said, no matter how much the NFL wants to adjust to the lack of true pocket passers in my opinion those players will always be the hardest to compete against. While you could argue the running QB makes you defend more space that space tends to be lateral or closer to the line of scrimmage. With an elite pocket passer you need to defend that space 15+ yards downfield every play. Again, just more rare. Mahomes, Allen, Rodgers, are a few of the names in your post of these type of QB's. As you said, Wilson, sort of, you could say Allen sort of. None of these guys are statues, they just can really threaten you downfield.

Part of the Patriot way requires players to buy in unquestioning, blind, with 100% confidence. That will be a hell of an advantage for any leader to just get blindly. As new players come in, TB, BB, and older players indoctrinated new ones into the culture. All of this was only possible based on what BB and TB created. You had two people at probaly the most important roles/positions in football, perceived as the best ever. Players didn't question it, they bought in without questioning things, by gosh, millionaires playing as one with the perhaps the GOAT QB and a fantastic HC worked rather well. By no means is that type of culture something you can just bring with you. It was built on a history of winning over a long period of time. With how private he is, I doubt BB has done much to share the secrets of X's and O's with assitants. Little Stevie probably gets sent to his room when he steals his notebooks. All this is likely a far cry from the consideration Parcells showed BB when he was learning the job. I think Flores and possibby Crennel can be successfull. Flores, because he seems to be creating his own culture and not trying to replicate one. Crennel because he is a disciple of Parcells and seems to connect well with players (although he has some stains in his past, but then again who doesn't?).

JJ Watt, prior to injury, averaged 17.25 sacks per year as a 3-4 DE. White in the 46 lined up as a DT, not a DE. Bruce averaged .7490 sacks per start during his career and White averaged .8684. Yes, I think a 4-3 DE has a higher likelihood to generate sacks, but I think it's lazy to site that as a main reason to say Bruce was better, which in my opinion, he wasn't. White was a 3-4 DE in it's truest form. He just wasn't played that way. He was played as a DT for Christ sake. His power was better than Smith's speed and his run stopping was also superior. If Watt didn't deal with the injuries he had, he very well could be in this conversation as well.

Great article to sprinkle in with the topic. https://www.espn.com/espn/page2/story?page=weinreb/081006

What I love about Diggs..name his best quality? I don’t think I could. He basically does everything at a high enough level that no singular thing stands out. Complete player.

If we are truly talking most remarkable, that's my vote. Had no meaningful impact, but just that many of us remember a meaningless kickoff return that we never even scored on 15 years ago. I think that says a lot about how incredible the play was.

Prior to the SF game last week, Seattle gave up more yards than any team in NFL history through as many games as they played. That offense has been pretty filthy. That said, like us, the offense has cooled a few times of late and Wilson has made enough mistakes to appear human. Then 17 of the last 24 for Seattle have been one score games. Seattle isn't a team that tends to run people out of the stadium like they did last week. We will be in this game until the end and it will be a toss up. Both QB's have shown to be exceptional closers in the 4th quarter. Probably comes down to who has the ball last.

Slowly, so even the impaired can understand. Not really, they have one win by more than 10 points all year and have beaten mostly cream puffs until the last two weeks. Nobody blows teams out consistently in this league. That said, right now the 5-2 Bucs would like to say hi. Prior to the last two weeks the teams the Steelers have played have a combined record of 13-23.

Not really, they have one win by more than 10 points all year and have beaten mostly cream puffs until the last two weeks. Nobody blows teams out consistently in this league. That said, right now the 5-2 Bucs would like to say hi.

Fair, I'm not 100% riding Josh is a franchise QB. We think he is or might be, certainly the closest thing we have seen to one since Jimbo, but am I willing to say for certain? No. Most of everybody on your list has done nothing more or less than Allen outside of a couple trophies for being good in the regular season. As another pointed out, I wouldn't trade Josh for any of them outside of Mahomes.

We do not have the roster to win a Super Bowl this year. If you look back the last decade, elite QB or elite defense. Then maybe a Philly special once in a blue moon <= Which we do have the potential of having because we can, despite what your eyes tell you, beat anybody, any given Sunday. So is your point just to complain as we keep winning? Which even if lacking true Super Bowl talent, is sort of what you need to do to have any shot at the SB. What would you do with yourself if we weren't winning? So we complain when we win and lose....Just for context I hope you understand the Bills have never won a Super Bowl. So if we complain when we win and lose, might not be very fun existence. FYI, the Bills were a 4 point favorite against the Patriots. We won by 3, shocking outcome. If a subgroup of fans got overzealous from our fast start not having the last 20+ years to warn them never to get overzealous too early, shame on them. Yes, that is what a championship team does. Which we aren't right now, but the Chiefs are, which I said. We just sort of found out this year that we have a Franchise QB. The fact that we are in Josh's 3rd year and are looking like we will likely win the division, which then opens up all sorts of possibilities should be very exciting. It's hard for me to be concerned about something that has never occurred once in our franchises history but your timer for concern is the third year of our QB's lifespan and the first year we can say with a decent amount of confidence he is a franchise QB. Yeesh.

Sorry, not that team yet. Your fault if you made them become that in your mind. Torch the front office because we aren't that team after 3-4 years? Please....Only 1-2 of those teams a year, teams that dominate and consistently win by a TD or more with style point.

I literally directly referenced the Chiefs. Yes, this one game proved that. No way we could beat a meddling potential playoff team like, I don't know, like the Patriots or the Dolphins or the Rams or the......

And we sucked against DVOA last year and do again this year. Again, we aren’t a top 2–3 team, we aren’t going to blow teams out and progression in this league is not linear. It never is. If we want to B word and moan after we win every close one all we will be doing is bitching all year as we make our way to the first home playoff game in 25 years. We have sucked for two decades, you would think by now we would have learned a degree of respect and patience towards the football gods.

We are seeing very negative threads following Bills wins. I'm sure most on here can recall a hell of a lot of games the past 20 years we lost by not executing in small areas, by a small margins of defeat, failing on the last drive, etc.... MOST the games in the last 20 years went that way. If you paid close attention to the league the past 20 years you would notice most NFL games go that way and a higher % of divisional games. It is VERY unusual to have an NFL game with a line greater than a margin of 7. All of them are supposed to be close. We were excellent at not winning close games for 20 years and now we are becoming excellent at winning them. For all but a couple of teams each year that is the definition of success and we are getting consistent in that definition. We aren't the Chiefs, who this year really are the only world beaters. Nobody here would ever try and claim we are the Chiefs. If, when, until, we become a team of that caliber, for the most part, they all will all be ugly. As a good team, we will win most. We will get in the playoffs and once you do that you can keep advancing and you hope to get positioned to play a world beater and be at your best. On a positive note...... We made the playoffs 2 of the the last 3 seasons, certainly looks like it will be 3 of 4. Currently a heavy favorite to host the first Bills playoff game in 25 years even though nobody will be able to attend it (sad face emoji). From all appearances, we have our Franchise QB. Beane is not as good as you think he is. He is very good, but some of you act as if he's not going to miss on FA's or draft picks. More a result of our own fan base turning him into a deity but that's not exactl fair. He's accomplished more than any GM since Bill Polian. We have no reason to not give him the benefit of the doubt along with McDermott. We can also criticize as we would anybody else. Just do yourself a favor, don't expect either to be perfect and don't expect us to roll teams. Even bad ones. That's just not where we are at nor how the NFL works. HUGE win today, another example of one we would have lost 100 out of 100 times the last 20 years, not anymore. GO BILLS!

When you live in a market the size of Buffalo with the passion of our base everything is going to exaggerated.

Meh, me, moo, maaa. I imagine we are very similar in age. That game sucked, but I do appreciate you firing the neuron that made me remember it. I see things a bit differently. I mean sometimes teams just take a beatdown and it can be for a lot of reasons. That KC game, teams didn't win very often at Arrowhead and that crowd made it impossible on us. It was like an avalanche from start to finish. That win did focus us, I will agree with that. As far as the Titans game, the defense was completely undermanned. This defense has not looked good in general and really not looked good with Edmunds, Milano, or Tre out, and if it was 2 of 3 lord help us. Then you had a more motivated Titans team in my opinion. We had KC in a week, battle of undefeated teams, SB champs. Sure Tennessee was/is undefeated but KC will have anybody looking ahead to some extent. Then worse, the Titans got dogged pretty much for 14 days on the media and they all saw it in the confines of Covid quarantine. Dogged over not following safety protocols, dogged because they wouldn't be prepared. They played us like we were KC. Most teams are not mature enough to overcome these types of things or if they do, it's only because they're THAT good. See KC vs Chargers Week 2 prior to KC playing Baltimore for a good example. Tennessee is a very good team. Not a game we could have won without 100% focus and most of our stars and we had neither.

Agree 100%

Thank you, I thought the comparison was thought provoking for me based on what you said and I view it very similar as you do. I think for some people that notion might ruffle some feathers somehow implying Josh is not super human but that was not the intention of my post. More just impressed by how well the Bills did at slowly adding each piece and really giving Josh the ability to reach his full potential.

Pretty sure they use the exact same QB coach and training regime. It's also hard to throw the ball when you have no WR's and you are getting pummeled before you have 2 seconds to read what is going on. Not a Darnold apologist, but I think the board is drastically underestimating what the Bills have given Allen to work with. Allen's a stud, but from the sounds of it the board seems to think he could have a winning record with the Jets right now which to me is laughable.