Buffalo Junction

I think he’ll be a steady player at worst... a la M Lawson or Barr. I don’t think he’s a can’t miss probowler though. If he was we’d be talking about him usurping Bosa instead of sneaking into the top 10. That said, his combine confirmed his production: 2 years of 8+ sacks and 14+ TFL’s in the SEC. He could live up to that potential if he improves his rush moves. Plus he seems to play contain first, and IDK if that’s him or coaching. I’m not sure if Beane will gamble on the kid. He did get booted from Michigan State and had to work his way back from Juco. He seems to have taken that setback seriously and matured. I wouldn’t be disappointed with him at 9, but I’m not going to ? either. I’d probably react similar to drafting J Allen... “okay. Let’s see how it turns out”.

He’s having a Manny Lawson combine. I could see them grabbing him as a replacement for Alexander.

It certainly seems as though Beane will gamble on physical freaks if he deems them to be “coachable”. We’ll see with Metcalf.

For real. Such a freak. Now to see what Deebo runs.

He’s not far off. Gronk ran a 4.68. TE’s are often difficult to predict because there’s such a variation in skill set, body type, and usage.

Soooo...… Sterling Sharpe...… Neck injury included Deebo Samuel is probably the best for starting potential combined with return ability.

You may be correct. Sweat is interesting because his combine numbers will actually serve as confirmation. He also has enough elite traits for a team to take a shot. In other words... He’s more likely to be Manny Lawson than John McCargo. The two things that Sweat actually impressed me with are 1) he has already developed inside and outside rush moves and counters, and 2) he does a good job of identifying screens and containing the edge. That’s the fun part of all this though. We have no clue how scouts actually have these guys graded. Heck, they might view these Clemson Dlinemen like the 2005 Wolfpack line.

If Sweat puts up good combine numbers at 260 pounds he might sneak into the top 10. I seriously thought the kid was around 245-250. That extra weight makes him viable in 4-3 schemes.

He’s been injured too often the past couple years. At this point of his career I think a full season would be unlikely. Awesome in his prime though. He used to drive Suh crazy; really fun to watch those two match up.

It’s a rarity. The combine is primarily about confirmation of all the tape scouts and GMs have watched, and Interviews conducted. However, stock can definitely rise and fall. Big risers are generally small school players that confirm their physical traits are elite, or seriously injured players proving their injury is healed. Guys who fall big generally do something asinine during the process that sets up a massive ?.

I’d add that a solid position group without any dominant players can still be considered a position of need in the first round. Under that definition DL is a need for us if there’s blue chip talent available at our first pick. Aside from Hughes, who’s long in the tooth, we don’t have any dominant DL players... Just a whole bunch of average.

Anyone else curious about what a pair of “QB whisperers” see in both of our failed QBs? Manuel and Peterman are very different QBs. What common traits make them fits for Gruden and Reids’ respective west coast variants?

Sort of a safety corner tweener with the way he was used in coverage. They used him a lot to cover slot receivers in zones and he’s able to play some press. I’m curious to see how he times, but the kid has a knack for being around the football. As it stands now probably 4-5 round prospect. The gem of that secondary is Lonnie Johnson.

He definitely looked to be building up. Dude got there then... zilch. We should consider Eddie Royal too. He was in the same group with Jordie Nelson and DeSean Jackson his first year... then nothing but crickets. Went from 90 receptions to 30 while playing the same number of games.

Grönk is such a freak that I find it hard to compare anyone to him. The guy just has a different mold like LT. I don’t think it’s fair to even try and compare someone to that. However, there are still plenty of guys below that level of freakishness that are in the HoF. The difficult part is predicting... especially with TEs.

Keep in mind though, that if you open the doors for 2 year wonders the list grows exponentially with guys like Ryan Grant (back to back 1200 yard seasons), Brandon Jacobs (b2b 1000 yards), etc. there are simply a ton of players that fit that mold because of injuries.

I’m not arguing that. He spent the first part of his career backing up Bennett until the 96’ playoffs when Bennett got injured. Levens had 2 healthy seasons after that. Damn shame, but knee injuries in the 90’s were still a big deal.

Paup was a damn good player. Only time I saw him live was when we were back in Wisconsin (whole family is packers fans) for a funeral in 93’. No sacks, but Paup basically shut down the edge for most of the game. People forget he could destroy a run game too. The highlight was Reggie White though. He single handily snuffed Elway's comback in the 4th with back to back sacks.

Allowable, but Levens’ downfall was an injured knee. Plus, in his “other 1000 yard season” he also had 70 receptions for 570 yards for a total of about 1600 yards. As an aside, those Holmgren designed screens may be the best ever created. Heck, Andy Reid is still using them effectively.

Talk about fortunate circumstances... The guy went from playing with Reggie White to playing with Bruce. It’s not often that you see a 4x probowler spend most of his career being the second best pass rusher on his team.

I think you’re on point. Metcalf is the most likely to me, as I think he’d be the first WR taken and likely a pick 10-15 guy without that neck injury. All things considered, this WR class reminds me of the 2008 class. Let’s hope they walk away with a Nelson or Jackson instead of a Hardy or Sweed.

Which is why “owner” or “Davis” are in most of my comments. The dysfunction trickles down from the top. Gruden is just the final straw. You don’t bring in a personality like Gruden and hand him that contract and implied power unless you’re unhappy with your GM, absolutely clueless, or insane.

I’m sure you’re about as happy as a dead pig in the sunshine... Fact remains, McKenzie had an UDFA backing up Carr in 16’ then a 4th round rookie and EJ Manual in 17’. I couldn’t tell you if that’s on McKenzie or Mr Bowl Cut. What I can surmise for other league wide occurrences is that the team falling apart after Carr’s injuries didn’t help McKenzies employment situation.

You’re absolutely correct. Fans and owners fully understand that there’s a quarterback shortage. In fact they’re so understanding that their sympathy for GMs and coaches provides them with the faith and patience to endure decades of losing without becoming upset or frustrated with performance. I’m quite sure that I’ll never have the intellect or wisdom to comprehend the depth of faith and trust displayed by owners and their teams fans; especially Raider Nation. I swear those cats must have studied under the Dahli Lama for they are extraordinary examples of steadfast sensibility and are known worldwide for their reasonable natures.

The small school thing is likely a way to gain value on players that fit their physical and intellectual prototypes. If we’re honest we have to admit that a guy with Zay’s physical makeup doing what Zay did in the SEC is a top 10-15 pick. I think they’re willing to take shots on guys like this in the first 2-3 rounds and at the end of the draft. It’s a small sample size, but they also seem to go high floor in the middle rounds. That small school trend will likely continue. They seem to have faith in their ability to coach and develop these kids. Also, keep in mind their idea of prototype may not fit our usual expectations. Corner is a good example of this. They could be targeting guys that have size, agility, and intelligence to play zone over size speed man guys. They might have a guy like Lonnie Johnson (UK) rated a lot higher than we think.