CincyBillsFan

No I'm not. The AFC is wide open.

Yep, misery loves company.

But they were 7.5 point favorites and are playing at home. So yea, losing by 19 late in the game after trailing by 18 at half is as bad a loss as the Bills was today. Ditto for Dallas losing at home to Denver and trialing 30 - 0 in the 2nd half.

NFL officials are corrupt and incompetent. That first roughing the passer call was entirely bogus. Ditto for the hold on Whitworth. A team that is rarely penalized is flagged double digit times tonight? The problem with NFL officiating is not the actual calls, though they're bad enough, but rather the fact that these crews seem to target one team for the majority of flags at critical moments. If the Bills become irrelevant again, I'm done with the NFL. They treat their fans with contempt with the officials they're putting on the field.

After back to back bad losses and then a squeaker win against the Eagles the Chargers are a lot like the Bills - wildly inconsistent. The Ravens have had a lot of close calls, that can evaporate in a moment leading to several losses. The AFC is wide open. IF the Bills can fix their issues they have as good chance as any team of taking charge in the conference.

My concern is with the offense and not the defense. BUT, did the Bills make a strategic error in addressing their perceived defensive short comings at the expense of the offense? Because it was the offense that got us to the Championship game last season. In the off season we focused on the D and it's playing great though I wouldn't say at a Super Bowl level - the let down against TN was a red flag for me. So while we can defenselessly dominate weak to average offenses we haven't shown we can dominate good to great offense. And by ignoring RB, the O-line and TE did we miss an opportunity to create an elite offense? We caught a break with Knox improving as much as he did so standing pat at TE worked out but it clearly hasn't worked out for the O-line and RB's.

That's true, today's loss falls squarely on the O. But that shouldn't blind us to the fact that there have been some issues with the Bills base 4 man pass rush. We never really made Lawrence uncomfortable forcing him into a bad throw for an INT. And the Jags had a couple of drives that went on to long and chewed up time robbing the offense of a possession or two. TN rolled our D up in part because we couldn't pressure Tannehill. I think these comments are arising from the off season choice to go all in on improving the D-line and then keeping 11 D-linemen on the roster. This was a conscious decision that limited what we could do at RB & O line. So the question becomes is the D line doing enough? We seem to blitz our safeties and LB's a lot to generate a pass rush.

I have hope that Groote can develop into an elite D lineman and if Oliver keeps getting better he can become an elite defensive tackle. But your observation is spot on - there is not currently an elite lineman on either side of the ball playing for the Bills. And while the D-line has a lot of solid talent you could argue that the best Bill's O-lineman is only average - and maybe not even that. This is why it's critical that Brown develop into a top flight tackle.

I don't agree with everything you posted but it is a fair take. Another poster noted that we're sitting three D-linemen who would likely make the D-line rotation on a lot of NFL teams every week while putting O-linemen on the field who wouldn't play for most teams. That is a waste of resources.

Can any of you see Moss or Singleterry hitting the corner with the power and speed the Titans back-up RB just showed us in that 12 yard gain?

Until next week. We've had what, ten different "best teams in the NFL" so far this year? I am shocked at this outcome. While the Bills lost to a terrible team today how can you explain the blowout home loses by the Bengal's, Cowboys and 49's? And now it looks like the LA Rams are going to get blown out in their building by the Titans. What a weird day.

They have a credible running game that doesn't involve the QB.

That play can't work for Allen and the Bills because no one respects their run game and defenses key on Allen in a way they wouldn't with Tannehill.

I'm not sold on the Ravens. They were lucky to beat the Vikings at home in OT today. I could see them losing a couple of games in a row. I agree that NE is a real danger in the division. My goodness how painful is it to watch, explosive, tackle breaking RB's who we've never heard of before?

Great way to explain what happened today and for over a half against Miami last week. I think it can be fixed with some daring moves by the Bills coaches and Brown/Felliciano getting healthy.

But who do we put in to run a "heavy" look? A third string practice squad TE and an experimental FB? And our RB's are not built to execute a heavy run package. They made the assumption that the O-line would at least be competent and that Allen and the WR's would carve people up. The problem is that at best this year the O-line has been below average and today it was way below the NFL minimum for a functional unit. It really was that bad.

I largely agree with this with the exception that the O-line is way worse then we thought it was. Its not NFL caliber. This calls for a complete reworking of the O-line and offensive game plan to include, IF Brown can't go this week, the following: * Start the other rookie at RT and move Williams to guard. * Activate Bridda at RB. We need the speed. * Put #41 and #89 (assuming Knox can't go) in the backfield to provide max protection.

Look, I get that Brady does that but not on a play in which the DE gets a clean run at the QB. That will almost always end in a sack. It happens to fast for the QB to blindly throw the ball to the "seam" at a WR's feet (talk about a reckless throw that could get intercepted). Brady does not make that throw on that play. He takes the sack.

Allen should and in fact he must throw that ball every time. It wasn't 4th down and Davis has to make that catch. If you want to lose Allen for the year then yea he should have run the ball. That was worse then an NFL WR not making that catch? Please. Do you watch any college football? Under the best circumstances the Bills run a piss poor read option.

You forgot Williams being a turnstile on one of the biggest plays of the game. And an incredible number of costly penalties. I'm not blaming the coaches so much for this game but if Knox & Brown cant go next week it will be on the coaches if they don't shake up the O-line. Put the rookie out at right tackle and move Williams back to guard. It can't be any worse then today. And given the issues on the O-line the Bills need to game plan acknowledging the O-line issues. This will mean a parred down offense and max protection.

We were saved in that game by Allen & Beasley playing exceptionally well in the 2nd half of the 3rd quarter and in the 4th quarter. And that was with Felliciano playing and the O-line only being bad not awful. Today with Allen off and Beasley banged up and the O-line playing way below the accepted NFL level we got exactly what you would expect us to get.

The more I think about this game and the more I recall the conversation in the room as we watched this debacle unfold I'm not sure any offense could move the ball with the O-line playing as bad as it did today. This is the NFL and when an O-line falls apart like it did in this game ANY opponent will shut you down. Our offensive line played so far below the minimum acceptable level in the NFL that it dragged down the rest of the team. They didn't pass block today nor did they run block. On top of that they committed a couple of crucial penalties at the worst points of the game (two PF, a hold and flinching on 4th & 2 all when we were on the Jags side of the field). The fact that the Bills got over 300 yards is amazing and was due to Allen making a couple of special throws that normally a QB doesn't make. Now this isn't to let Allen off the hook for his reckless interceptions, but he and Dabold had to realize that the O-line was beyond awful today and only an off schedule play was going to break this game open in their favor. We were asking what was happening to Mahomes and the Chiefs offense. Well today and for a half last week you got your answer. And with Knox out we don't even have the Chiefs option of a go to TE. Other then getting Brown & Feliciano back I don't know what the Bills can do? Leave #41 and Sweeney in as pass protectors and not play with a tailback?

I don't know. I haven't seen anything from our RB's to make me believe that feeding them the ball 20 times wouldn't result in a lot of 3 and outs. The Bills RB's are small, slow and don't make people miss. Today the backs were one on one in space several times and didn't make the defenders miss.

So you title your thread "looks like the rest of the NFL have our number!!" and then suggest that McD bench Allen? Seriously? Maybe what the league has caught up to is that we have one of the worst O-lines & Rb tandems in the NFL. That they can scheme us a certain way because we don't have the horses to make them pay for how they're defensing us. There was a reason Knox was having a career year - teams were playing us this way early but he was making them pay for it. With Knox out and Beasley playing hurt we are a two WR team with a bad O-line.

Only that most of it was. And you keep harping on a play that anyone who has watched football knows the QB is going to get sacked when the Tackle completely misses the DE. At least own up to what you're posting and not try to slink away from bashing Allen. It's very troll like.