CincyBillsFan

The last time I started posting sources I got put in TO. I'm a scientist by profession and the bulk of the current thinking on covid indicates that asymptomatic people rarely pass covid on.

Florida has more people then NY State and is about the same size. On top of that Florida was visited by millions of tourists the last 6 months while NY State has largely remained closed down to tourism. By any reasonable consideration Florida has a much better covid profile then NY. And they are not seeing a spike. I've read several studies employing Meta analysis to look at covid infection & death rates across the US and the world and so far it doesn't matter whether you locked down tight or stayed wide open or everything in between. Covid is a classic respiratory virus that spread through the human population in much the same way that most respiratory virus do. It's actually been eye opening how little our mitigation efforts impacted covid.

I'm surprised that so many Bills fans are willing to throw Beasley away for this. Watch any of those exciting YouTube 2020 Bills highlight videos and see how often Bease is making critical catches in the games. The Bills are a weaker team without Beasley. I always thought the introduction of the vaccine would return sanity to the crazy world of covid. The vaccine places the responsibility for ones health back on the individual where it belongs. As long as everyone has access to the vaccine you can chose to protect yourself or not. We will never have 100% vaccine compliance. And as long as you don't work in health care or a nursing home vaccination should be a personal choice. IMO the players association should have never agreed to what they did with the NFL.

Here's the data for Florida which is not only densely populated but the site of vast tourist migrations over the last few months. https://www.worldometers.info/coronavirus/usa/florida/

The reality is that a vast amount of people, particularly those under 40, are alreday effectively immune to covid and if they catch it the viral load remains low and they don't develop symptoms or they exhibit very mild ones. They also are much less likely to pass the virus on.

You have an insane amount of immunity with either the vaccination or naturally derived immunity. There are a lot of medical people advising against those that have recovered from covid getting the vaccine. Others are recommending that those who had covid previously get only one shot.

We have an idea that for the vast majority of people not to much will happen as covid is a corona virus and we have experience with that class of virus. BTW, do you know what will happen to you after getting vaccinated in 3 years? And for the record I chose to get vaccinated as I'm over 60 and the risk/benefit ratio made sense to me. If I was healthy and 30 I'm not sure I would have opted to get vaccinated. For sure if I had covid previously and was under 40 there is no way I would get vaccinated. Would you?

Looking at the data for each state I'm not seeing any spikes in the Southern States. There were spikes in several northern states (Michigan & PA for example) with tough lock downs in place in April but so far in June everyone is seeing covid cases and deaths fall or stay steady at very low levels. https://www.worldometers.info/coronavirus/country/us/

What if they already have had covid? Their acquired immunity is every bit as potent as what they would get from the vaccines. And most people in Beasley's age group, under 35 won't get sick from covid. I think that number is over 98%. The solution is simple. Test Beasley on a regular basis. If he doesn't catch the covid what's the issue? I'm over 60 so I chose to get the covid vaccine. When I turn 65 I'll get the shingles vaccine but right now the risk/benefit ratio for shingles in the under 65 crowd says don't get the vaccine yet. It's a personal choice. Every adult has the option to protect themselves by getting vaccinated. What Beasley does or doesn't do won't impact those that get the vaccine.

This is why I'm very optimistic about this season. I think we have a number of guys that can make that 3rd year leap. And if they do the Bills will be formidable. I especially like that they are scattered across areas of need for the team - RB, TE, D-line and O - line. I expect that we will be pleasantly surprised by these players and the rest of the NFL will be shocked.

I would take Tonyan AND Knox! BTW, when I posted that I thought the same thing. I really believe Knox is going to explode on the scene this season.

I would take GB's RB & TE in a nanosecond. IMO GB has a much more BALANCED set of skill players then the Bills have.

True. But I know that the Bills offense would suck without Allen.

The TD throw to Diggs in the the 4th quarter against the Colts. It was like Allen beamed the ball to Diggs and it just appeared in his hands in the end zone. Also the throw to Knox down the seam in the 2nd NE game.

People worry to much about this. Allen made an impressive jump from his rookie year to year 2 with screaming fans in attendance. I believe the jump we just saw in year 3 would have happened with packed stadiums. Allen's play has improved as he has gained more experience and the Bills have built a better offense around him. Take a look at the roster changes from Allen's rookie year to his 2nd year and then the additions of a truly elite WR and a very good right OT his 3rd year. We should be confident that Allen's trajectory continues to be up and a full stadium will prove no more problematic to him as it would to any elite QB.

Are you claiming that Kelce & Knox are at the same level and the difference between them is the QB throwing to them? The last 2 years that Kelce played with Smith he was already recognized as an elite TE. Knox hasn't come close to matching the numbers Kelce had with Smith. And for the record I think Knox will have a great season and become a top 10 - 15 TE this year. That Kelce's numbers got even better with Mahomes is more the result of Kelce continuing to improve; Mahomes being a better QB then Smith and Reid recognizing what he had with Mahomes & Kelce and channeling more of the offense through them. As far as "homers being homers" goes I'll take a homer every day of the week over fans who only ever see that that the grass is greener on the other side of the fence.

I would not swap Allen for Mahomes and my reasons echo a lot of others: * I think they're about equal today with Allen having a slightly higher upside. * I think that over the course of a career Allen's bigger size and superior athleticism makes a difference. * I don't buy the argument that Mahomes outplaying Allen over the last couple of years matters to the discussion today. Just put the Bills offensive roster from 2018 & 2019 alongside the Chiefs from 2018 & 2019. Enough said. Given the big difference in supporting personnel, the statistical comparison from those years mean almost nothing.

Looks like a divide and conquer mindset here. If there was ever a way to magnify NY City and Albany's control over a state it would be divide it into the littlest bits possible. I mean how dumb is it to refer to the Rochester metro area, which gets within what 30 miles of the CANADIAN border, as the "Finger Lakes" and not Western NY? I like to keep things simple and split the State right down the middle (north to south) and if you do that Syracuse is on the Eastern border of Western NY and Rochester is the center of WNY. If you split the State three ways - West, Central & East - Syracuse falls out of WNY but Rochester is clearly still in the middle of WNY. As an aside, I've always thought the larger geographical definition of WNY should break away from NY State and form it's own state. The money coming in off oil/Natural Gas exploitation alone would dwarf whatever funds from Albany you would lose. Heck it's sort of happening in Oregon right now.

I agree with you on the Garbage Plate but your geography needs a little work. Even a casual glance at a NY State map would show that Rochester is a part of "Western NY". I would also include Syracuse as the Eastern border of Western NY.

So your advice would be to low ball Allen? Or franchise his butt like the Cowboys did? The contract you're reacting to would almost certainly be extended and reworked in the 4th & 5th years as Allen ages like a fine wine and the Bills are yearly Super Bowl contenders. I guess we can always trade Allen for a boatload of draft picks and hope we land another elite QB we can have on a rookie contract. I don't get folks worried about what Allen's contract might do to the Bills future competitiveness after enduring n 18 year playoff drought while we desperately looked for the right guy at QB? Now that was what a crippled small market team looks like.

Millions of dollars and a one dollar ownership lease on Niagara Falls for 99 years.

I love that Montoya put out a thread like this because it gives us something to argue about. And May is boring from an NFL standpoint. But that being said IMO the ranking in the AFC is Chiefs, Bills, Ravens, Browns/Colts. Buffalo had two quality playoff wins against the Colts & Ravens before running out of steam against the Chiefs. The Browns, who lost to the Ravens twice last season, got past Pitt in the playoffs with what could only be described as the Steelers playing one of the worst quarters of playoff football in NFL history. The Chiefs were clearly looking past the Browns and had Mahomes stayed in that game they would have won it by 17 plus points. Buffalo added a couple of guys who I think will show up big time next season (Hollister, Sanders & Breida) and the Bills have a number of young players entering their 2nd - 4th years who stand to improve (Allen, Davis, Singleterry, Moss, Knox, Edmunds, Oliver, Espinoza to name a few). This is a team that won 13 regular season games and 2 playoff games. They clearly are the #2 AFC seed going into next season.

Agree 100%. In two of the three playoff games our D line didn't put any pressure on the opponents QB. And this was against highly effective QB's in Rivers & Mahomes. The only reason we escaped with a win against Indy was that Allen took the team on his shoulders and had a phenomenal game. He couldn't replicate that against KC minus the Bills best RB and a beat-up WR group. As for the Baltimore win, pass rush doesn't really matter against Jackson & company. In fact a D-line that doesn't get much penetration is probably a good strategy against the Ravens. The bottom line is that pass rush was by far the Bills biggest weakness. RB & TE were not great just average, but our offense still scored over 30 points per game. And adding Hollister and Breida did upgrade both positions. It's also not unreasonable to expect Knox to improve this year particularly after he played a lot better at the end of the season and in the playoffs. Ditto for Moss who was decent.

He'll probably say BOTH.

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