CincyBillsFan

Mt Adams is fantastic and OTR is jumping and with the addition of the brand new 25,000 seat soccer stadium in that neighborhood there are even more options. Unfortunately I am not.

I've lived in Cincinnati fora long time and I have no idea what Joe is talking about. The nightlife is fine considering the size of the city. Sure, it's not NY, LA or Chicago but it matches up well with similarly sized city's. Heck, the downtown casino is pretty nice and there are a lot of music venues. Now to be fair I'm a bit old to properly comment on the type of entertainment options appealing to the twenty something demographic. But I can't imagine it isn't on par with most NFL cities.

There is evidence from previous bouts with respiratory virus that natural immunity may be very long lasting (decades in same cases) in this class of infections. So far I've seen data showing it holding up pretty well a year after covid infection. The long lasting part of natural immunity likely involves the "education" of the T cell memory immune system. As for the reason we have booster shots, it is entirely about extending the protective effect of the initial vaccine regimen of two shots. We now know that the protection offered by 2 shots wanes relatively quickly requiring the booster shots.

My point was that as he was infected with covid he was somewhere between the first shot and the second shot. So his immune system was experiencing the mRNA effect at the same time it was dealing with a true covid infection. I don't think we know enough about that situation to rule out potential problems. And I can only go on my very bad experience with vaccination after having previously been infected with covid. I was told by my doctor that this reaction, extreme chills and the shakes, was a direct reaction between vaccination (first shot) and my previous infection status.

I'm with you. It would be real interesting to know whether he has had any symptoms. I mean the guy is fully vaccinated AND he has natural immunity from having had covid previously. My only question and I hope I don't get put in timeout for raising this, was Dawkins hospitalization a result of a covid infection or a weird reaction between covid and the vaccine? According to reports he was within a couple of days of having fully completed his vaccine regimen. This means that he got his first shot and then a month later he got his 2nd shot and then was infected about 10 days after the 2nd shot. Do people really believe that those last couple of days were that critical? You don't think that two weeks after the 2nd shot doesn't contain a little wiggle room? When I was vaccinated I had a terrible reaction to my first shot. Six months previously I had gotten the covid and my doctor explained that my bad reaction - I was close to going to the ER - was a result of my previously being infected. I bring this up only because Dawkins should ave cleared the protocol by now.

Since Allen declared for the NFL draft there has been an undercurrent of NFL folks who seem to hate his guts. It's really weird because he seems like a good guy and his story is compelling. My suspicion is that Allen's path to being an elite QB in the NFL is an in your face example of how the so called "experts" don't really know all that much. From his zero star status as a HS recruit to the fact that virtually EVERY college in the nation turned him down, Allen is a reminder of how blind these people can be. And as someone who watches a lot of college football there is a real shortage of decent QB's out there. I've watched Allen's HS video and for the life of me his arm talent and athleticism are easy to see. And even as a HS senior he was tall and you would expect that he would fill out. To me Allen is an in your face example of just how lazy a lot of these college recruiters are. If the kid isn't at the elite camps he must not be any good. Then you have the NFL "experts" who trashed Allen in what can only be described as in the most unprofessional way possible. Really, Allen succeeding would invalidate mathematics? Allen's success is a living reminder of how mediocre these "experts" are. Their credibility rests on Allen failing. How else can you explain the FOX NFL studio featuring Allen's first two passes of the game against Carolina as evidence that he's struggling? That was bizarre on the face of it. How many times do QB's start off missing heir first two throws in a game. Yet here was FOX featuring that in their halftime show.

Agree. The drop off from Knox to Sweeney is immense. This was another head scratching move by McD & Beane.

And Allen only has 14 turnovers to go along with his 35 TD's while Jackson has 16 turnovers to go along with his 18 TD's.

He did? As I recall in the opening game against the Raiders his two lost fumbles, in the 4th quarter and OT ,cost the Ravens the game.

Are they? We don't know but with over 97% of the players vaccinated there is evidence that in fact vaccinated players are not getting back on the field all that much faster based on symptoms. The NFL protocol favors the vaccinated and perhaps it should, but we have no clue if the severity of the symptoms between the vaccinated and unvaccinated warrant the difference.

Is this true? Vaccination definitely reduces your chances of hospitalization and dying but my understanding is that the vaccinated can still spread the covid readily. The NFL is as close to fully vaccinated as you're going to get for any group of employees and yet covid is now spreading like wildfire through the league. Imagine how many would be testing positive if EVERY player was tested EVERYDAY?

I agree. The Omicron variant seems to be the one that will make covid an endemic respiratory virus among human populations. Like the flu, the key will be seeing how symptoms progress in the most a risk people. Vaccine interventions will probably be the choice of those wanting to take extra precautions and/or those at greatest risk much like those getting the flu vaccine skews to older Americans. The rest of us will either rely on treatments, a new one should be available soon from Pfizer, or just powering through the symptoms like a lot of healthy people do with the flu. And to be clear I'm not saying that covid was the same as the flu That's an argument for another time and IMO it was more severe. But RIGHT NOW the covid is going the way almost all respiratory virus go by becoming more infectious and much less virulent. In other words it's become endemic and will join the pantheon of other corona virus in making up the common cold. That is the reality of the present. So if the NFL wants to avoid the embarrassing nightmare scenario of a team deep in the playoffs or in the Super Bowl losing key players to covid they will start treating it like the flu. Again, today's covid is not the same as last years covid. The situation has changed and the NFL and society needs to react accordingly.

And by next season covid will be treated like the flu - if you catch it and get real sick you don't play. If you catch it and the symptoms are mild you will play. Beasley claims his symptom are mild and he could play. I believe him and suspect that he's payed with the flu before. Covid has become endemic and the sooner the NFL understands this the better

I believe Feliciano is vaccinated. So why should he not see the field the rest of this season? And compared to a lot of teams the Bills still haven't been hit all that hard by the covid. I mean I'm watching my second NFL game in two days featuring a PRACTICE SQUAD QB because the fully vaccinated starter and back-up were down with covid.

There's a difference between catching covid and getting very sick from it. Those that are healthy and young (under 40) seldom get very sick. The problem the NFL faces is its dealing with a strain whose spread is likley not impacted much by vaccination or natural immunity status. As such it will spread through the players. The only hope to not have a screwed up ending to this season is to adopt the same procedures that they use with the flu. If you're to sick to play you don't play. If you are asymptomatic or the symptoms are mild you play. But given the current climate that is very unlikely to be adopted. It will turn out that this season wasn't a bad one for the Bills to suffer a regression like in 1989. Imagine if we were 11 - 3 and started losing players to covid?

Well given that Allen was the rookie and Jones was in his what 2nd or 3rd season he was more responsible for helping Allen out then the other way around.

Rookie Allen made Foster look pretty good though.

Zay baby I never doubted you!

Throwing a deep pass to Jones is a waste of a play and can end in disaster. If Allen threw that pass under the current circumstances this forum would melt down.

IMO it's worse. The Brown are ridiculously depleted and this is a playoff game for the Raiders.

I'm rooting for the Raiders because it helps the Bills but they're embarrassing. And you ave to give the Browns credit for hanging with Oakland given all the guys that are out. And Zay Jones sucks.

CYA as a flood of angry Bills mafia types were letting FOX know how bizarre that halftime analysis was. Towards the end of the halftime segment Howie jumped in and tried to defend Allen. I think he realized just how stupid they were sounding. And it still boggles my mind that they choose to show Allen's first two incomplete passes to start the game as if that meant anything to what happened the rest of the half.

And they showed his first two passes of the game, both of which were routine over throws, to illustrate his inaccuracy. It was bizarre for them to do that. I get it if his first two throws were INT's but simple incompletions? WTH! And for the record after those two pedestrian incompletions on the first Bills possession and with the exception of the INT Allen threw the ball well in leading the Bills to 17 points. I mean they barely touched on Allen's foot injury or that the O-line was completely disrupted by missing two starters to covid.

And how many times have we seen back-up QB's come in and tear it up for a game or two then suck. A bunch of Bills QB's over the years come to mind and a guy named Mike White for the Jets is the most recent example. I do think that signing Allen was a no brainer but signing Jackson to a contract equal to or larger is not such an easy call. That's why Bean is to be commended for getting the Allen deal done. In a couple of years it will look like a bargain.

Remind me of the sack Allen took today with the Bills in or close to scoring range?