YodaMan79

A TE at pick #9 would be steep price to pay. I think you can find really good TEs after the 1st round, or earliest in the 20s. In the past 10 years only one TE has been picked lower than 19th (OJ Howard), Eric Ebron at 10 in 2014. The sweet spot to getting a really good TE is between picks 25-100. History would point to this being a really poor decision/value, and bring back memories of Donte Whitner. Hopefully this would be a former Bills FO type of move, and they don't prove to be this stupid. For those who want to think a little: http://www.nfl.com/draft/history/fulldraft?position=TE&type=position

Conditional 4th with a floor of a 5th should get it done. Howard set the market. Get it done. I'd be thrilled if McCoy was set free.

I agree with both players. To think, Priest was being wasted in Baltimore. He was fun to watch. I think Ricky Watters is getting the baseball writers HOF treatment. I don't think he was a great guy to be around during his playing days, or that's the perception. Ricky does deserve it more than Bettis or Davis.

^^^^ I see a difference in having a great career and being great. I give Gore credit for squeezing every ounce of talent he's got and putting it on the field. He must have one heck of a drive and be very disciplined. His injury history in college would have lead many of his peers to give up. He's proven that durability/availability is just as important as raw talent. I don't know how he could be kept out of the HOF? I don't think he's an automatic first ballot guy, but he does deserve the honor. I too was shocked at his standings.

A lot of great names mentioned. Hard to pin down to just a few, but I've always been a big B. Westbrook fan. He could do it all, I thought he was just as good as Faulk when healthy. I dont think these guys have been mentioned: Thomas Jones Terry Allen Ernest Byner Clinton Portis

My vote is for Sanders. Imagine the records he would have broke if he was with Dallas or even a Bill.

If Allen has a second season even 3/4 close to what Wentz was able to accomplish year two everyone here should be ecstatic. Wentz is a much better passer, but Allen has a certain "it" factor. Truth is, they both had crap surrounding them in their first year, and for what they had talent wise, they came out of it better. Carson had to throw the ball 600+ times because the team was so bad. It's amazing they were able to come out the college in the division they were in and compete year one. To the dim bulbs that think Wentz isn't that good, you obviously don't watch anything much other than the Bills. Like I said...I'd be thrilled with 3/4 of this production. I guess Wentz is overrated ?

***He also had one of the most prolific playoff runs a WR ever had in the playoffs. In 2008 he put the Cardinals on his back. If not for a stupid play on the goal line before the half he could have helped bring a ring to what is considered a bottom feeder franchise. THE CARDINALS! It's the Hall of Fame...not the very good. Gore most likely will get in, doesn't mean he should. I'm of the opinion you should at least be considered the best amongst your peers during their time in the league. I can think of 5 RBs better than Gore in his prime, 30% of his peers. Times change and how the stats play out are different from era to era. Look at all the soft stats WRs have been putting up the past ten years for comparison. Guys with numbers should be and will be left out of the HOF. Some of the people on here...between McCoy rushing for 1,300 yards in 2019 and Fitzgerald not a HOF? Not the brightest or best representing the fan base. DELUSIONAL Playoffs Receiving & Rushing Games Receiving Rushing Total Yds Year Age Tm Pos G GS Tgt Rec Yds Y/R TD Lng R/G Y/G Ctch% Rush Yds TD Lng Y/A Y/G A/G Touch Y/Tch YScm RRTD Fmb Career 9 9 85 57 942 16.5 10 75 6.3 104.7 57 16.5 942 10 1 2008*+ 25 ARI WR 4 4 42 30 546 18.2 7 64 7.5 136.5 30 18.2 546 7 0 2009* 26 ARI WR 2 2 16 12 159 13.3 2 33 6.0 79.5 12 13.3 159 2 1 2014 31 ARI WR 1 1 8 3 31 10.3 0 14 3.0 31.0 3 10.3 31 0 0 2015* 32 ARI WR 2 2 19 12 206 17.2 1 75 6.0 103.0 12 17.2 206 1 0

A lot of Shady love here. He'll be three years removed from the player a bunch of you remember him to be at the start of the season. His YPC in 17 wasn't anything great. Was his production last year on the O-Line? Yes, partly. But not all of the blame goes on them, he's lost a step, too. I'm more confident in what Gore can bring vs McCoy at this stage. Last year he was better than McCoy has been the past two years. I see a younger 2nd-3rd round option taking McCoy's place and the Bills pushing his cap savings to next year. Gore will mentor him.

I like his running style. He punishes the defenders that try and bring him down. Also, very tough, he continued to play on that torn ACL. It wasn't until Monday or Tuesday he was diagnosed. I think his talent is worth a flyer at the low cost he's going to come in at.

Must be the dead of winter, also. Too bad this comment is lost on most of the posters here. He's most likely done and I'd like to see him gone from the team. Time for new blood. As another astute poster pointed out, how many other team captains have been benched or disciplined from the head coach for being an immature idiot during the season?

YPC has declined 2 straight years. Not sure it can get worse than 3.2? I wouldn't expect too much. He's not a 31 year old Frank Gore.

Too much. I think they have visions of the K. Mack deal in their mind. I see a couple of of possibly very good and possibly elite production years (2), but what happens when he falls off and we're stuck? I think it's downhill from here. The Bills don't have a JJ Watt type of player opposite of him. I know everyone is super excited about FA and trades, but has any team been the FA champions and won anything? Look at all the cuts that have been made, just a short time ago a number of team and fans were excited to have them, now they can't get rid of them soon enough.

Parker does have the talent, but durability is a concern with him. Not sure what the asking price would be? With how many games he's missed a mid to low 3rd or 4th is highest I think Miami could fetch

This would have been a decent depth move 4 years ago. Is Frank Gore really a first day of FA signing?

Do you think the switch to Baker and his elevated play had anything to do with Chubb getting an honest look from opposing Ds? We all know how well the Tyrod experiment went. For the record, I'm looking at a guy like Hyde to get no more then 100-125 carries. Draft a Rb you think can be a feature back, follow what Cleveland did with Chubb. I don't want McCoy here.

Yep, and the board geniuses know more than one of the more successful franchises over the past five years. Let alone a head coach that can get the most out RBs.

He can be had for the next two years at approximately $7.8 million total. In 2022 you can keep him for 5.9 million if the team chooses. His total contract is $15.6. In a small snapshot yes, he's currently in the top 15 category. He won't be there for long, at the end of FA and extensions he'll be in the 30's. Year Age Base Salary Prorated Bonus Roster Bonus Per Game Roster Bonus Workout Bonus Guaranteed Salary Cap Number Cap % Dead Money & Cap Savings Cut (pre-June 1)Cut (post-June 1)Trade (pre-June 1)Trade (post-June 1)RestructureExtension Total $11,007,000 $3,177,523 $2,000,000 $1,200,000 $310,000 $2,957,000 $17,694,523 2018 25 $957,000 $927,523 $2,000,000 $0 $10,000 $2,957,000 $3,894,523 2.2% 2019 ? 26 $1,800,000 $750,000 $0 $400,000 $100,000 $0 $3,050,000 1.6% $2,250,000 $800,000 2020 27 $3,600,000 $750,000 $0 $400,000 $100,000 $0 $4,850,000 2.4% $1,500,000 $3,350,000 2021 28 $4,650,000 $750,000 $0 $400,000 $100,000 $0 $5,900,000 -- $750,000 $5,150,000 How much have the Bills put out in RB money the past three years? ---- over $34 million They're both better than anything we've seen on the field in a number of years in a complimentary RB role. They'd go great with a rookie RB. Spending wisely here will allow the team to put more money on the important positions on the OL and DL.

I think KC and Andy Reid know a little something about the RB position. Where do you think Hyde's first visit is?

While the front office still thinks McCoy has something left, other savvy front offices are feeling these two out, they should grab one sooner rather than later. Duke signed a horrible contract (for him) and at 25 has some quality years ahead. Talk from "media insiders" speculate he could be had for a 4th or 5th round choice. I've read a couple of articles from Cleveland based outlets all but begging the Browns not to trade him. Get the deal done. I'd feel very good about Gore, Johnson and a draft pick. If McCoy is let go a bunch of his apologists would see how little value he has in the league.

Some of our fans are outright delusional homers. We all know or have family members that think their junk is worth top dollar, while they feel others legitimate or tangible assets hold little value. Any one of you that thinks J. Jones wouldn't merit a #1 pick is just not in touch with reality. They're also most likely the same people that thought McCoy was going to fetch a 2nd round pick, or drew a line in the sand thinking he was actually worth a second day pick. All the while not seeing he's absolutely worthless. Part of the high value of 1st round pick is the possibility of acquiring an elite talent with a fixed cap number for 4+ years. Let's see what shakes out during the FA period. Besides Jones and the Falcons meltdown in the SB, what have the WRs mentioned done to help their team win? OBJ has missed too much time. Why would a team building a foundation need a guy like him? What has he done for the Giants W/L record? Julio Jones' Production: In his past five years, has a bills receiver ever had a year that's close to any one of his years from 14-18? Year Team REC YDS AVG LNG TD ATT YDS AVG 2018 Falcons 113 1,677 14.8 58 8 2 12 6.0 2017 Falcons 88 1,444 16.4 53 3 1 15 15.0 2016 Falcons 83 1,409 17.0 75 6 0 0 - 2015 Falcons 136 1,871 13.8 70 8 0 0 - 2014 Falcons 104 1,593 15.3 79 6 1 1 1.0 2013 Falcons 41 580 14.1 81 2 1 7 7.0 2012 Falcons 79 1,198 15.2 80 10 6 30 5.0 2011 Falcons 54 959 17.8 80 8 6 56 9.3 Career 698 10,731 15.4 81 51 17 121 7.1

Ken Dorsey in Cleveland?

It was pretty easy. Growing up in Rochester being a Bills fan and having no geographic ties to any other major sports team besides the Sabers, I've always followed other sports teams at a national level. I liked the Knicks and Orioles based on having the MSG channel, VanGundy going to my high school and having the prospects roll through with the AAA team. That just wasn't enough though. Besides the Bills it was never a diehard attraction to other teams. I moved to the Philadelphia area after graduating and lived 5 minutes from the stadiums on the Broad St. line. With my proximity to all of the venues and being exposed to a media market that serves over 6.5 million people with intense/in-depth coverage it was hard to not take some of it in through osmosis. The Phillies were the first team to bring me in, I went to a lot a games when their young core was just coming up. It was an excitement that permitted through the city. The Eagles were young up and comers, too. Not to mention, they seemed like a good group of guys and had an overall likable team personality (besides the passive aggressive, sensitive baby QB). My Bills fandom never wavered during this time, despite their overall ineptitude. I had the direct TV Sunday ticket bills to prove it. It was easier being in an NFC town, in this division already hating the Giants, Cowboys and Redskins for obvious reasons. And, who wasn't a Randell Cunningham fan in the early 90's? I never had a natural animosity towards the Eagles. I simply have a NFC and AFC team. When they play each other I root for the Bills 100%. I've been able to extract joy bi-proxy, and thankfully didn't take the simple stance of "if you like two teams, you like zero". If that was the case, I most likely wouldn't care about the NFL. What the Bills have put fans through since 1998, up until last year has been unacceptable. I thankfully was able to extract a little joy from the league when the Bills were a laughing stock and amongst the dregs of the league.

If Tate doesn't expect #1 money, I think he'd fit the offense quite nicely. But, I know that's not realistic thinking. The WR market looks pretty thin, so he can most likely get over market value. I see him as the player that could open up the offense with the high percentage quick throws and his impressive YAC. He's a professional and tough. Young WRs could learn a thing or two from him. He could mask some of the deficiencies personnel wise on the O. On second thought, spend the money and get him in here even if it's #1 $, it's not ours.

This is a smart move for both parties. Reid has given a number of QBs the skills to earn additional years in the league.