YodaMan79

I guess this is compelling reason to keep HBO after GOT? Should be interesting, I really like Mayock. The GM stuff behind the scenes is always interesting. Gruden on the other hand has become a fictional character. I'm looking forward to the ***** show of epic proportions, that is the Raiders.

It's a pretty common and a well known fact. You'll see it in the contract of higher profile/older pitchers. Also, before away trips they often arrive a day or two before the team to get throwing sessions in and not be hampered by the travel. Like I said earlier, Brady is in a different category all together. The only players that used come close to playing at his age were kickers. His family is older, it's not like his teammates that are 22-30 years of age with no kids, or with real little ones running around. Different circumstances, different privileges when you're the best to do in in your generation.

He's also 41. Most players in the league have been done for 10+ years at his age. His family is at a different stage than a majority of his peers. He's earned the right to have these choices. I'm sure BB has no issue with it either. We all know he'll be ready when it counts.

If it gets to a point where games are missed, Mark Cuban will be viewed as a profit. I was younger, but I'm not sure baseball ever fully recovered organically from the stoppage in 94. They did their best to inject life into the sport while looking the other way with PEDs and doctored balls, but nothing that's been sustainable long term. I don't think the NBA is a great product anymore, either. Was it 98-99 that was the shortened season? The way the league is structured and the star player control, it has rendered 2/3s of the teams in purgatory year after year. I think the international growth has bailed that league out. The NFL will always have the eye of the betting public, but we have so many more options with our time and money. I find myself getting a slightly more apathetic to the league as me and young kids are getting older. Between the horrendous officiating, rule changes that favor scoring/fantasy football and overall general dislike of people like the commissioner, the sport dies with me a little each passing year.

He was being punished for not being liked. He was also a finalist in his first year. So yeah, anyone with a brain knew he was.

As others have stated, McNabb = good to very good at times. In his era he's bordering on top 10 amongst his peers. HOF is for the elite, players who are talked about long after they are done. He's a footnote and mostly forgotten outside of Philadelphia, if not for his stupid comments. Fans here have had enough of the guy. For the historically best QB in the organization, that's saying something (though that bar is not exceeding high). Here are some things that people forget about when discussing him: - He had an elite OL most of his career -- curtesy of the Bills, partly. We'd kill to have bookends like Tre Thomas and Runyan for a decade. - Very inaccurate passer. To be sub 60% in a WC offense is telling - A. Reid was passing the ball greater than 65% of the time, and his numbers are still not great. He should be obligated to give A. Reid a portion of his future pension checks, he could have easily been another A. Smith without him. How did he look outside of the Eagles organization? He would only throw the ball if a receiver was wide open. He did not throw receivers open or to spots. This is primarily the reason his TD to INT ratio is 2 - 1. He wouldn't pull the trigger. - Jim Johnson fielded great defensive teams during their stretch run. Early in his career that took a big burden off of him. Great defenses help the offense so much. Not much credence is given to more possessions and great field position. - Brian Westbrook was for a period of time was Marshall Faulk like. Made McNabb's passing and % numbers better than they were. Westbrook was a stud, too bad about his knees. He always had really good RB talent that could do it all. - He played a big a part in dividing the locker room when T.O. wanted a fair market deal after the SB. He was a passive aggressive baby and was super jealous of how the fan base and city gravitated to TO and not him. He publicly backed Westbrook during a contract situation and refused to say anything regarding T.O. - People keep talking about lack of talent surrounding him...here's a question, who did he make better? Great QBs find a way to make it happen and help develop the talent around them. I will admit...G. Lewis, R. Brown, T. Pinkston, J. Thrash, F. Mitchell weren't ideal in the early 2000s. He got TO and helped sabotage that situation. His ego got in the way. - Guy is the perpetual victim. Always had excuses that pointed the finger at everyone, but himself. For an "elite" FB player outside of the WR position, he had/has the thinnest skin. He has little if any self awareness and just doesn't come off as that bright. Evidence of that is all over his post career exploits. It makes me cringe with people point out he has a communications degree from Syracuse. He's awful in front of the camera or microphone and lacks creative or insightful analysis. - In two years he's going to be passed by other current players, pushing him down further all-time leaders list. I think that's why we are hearing him chirp now. - Finally...if you have to tell people you're a HOFer, then you're not one. He didn't pass the eye test, wasn't statistically great and continually came up short when it mattered. His teams were favored in 4 of 5 NFC Championship games, and he made it to one SB. He came up really small there, too. I'll never forget before the half, he had Westbrook wide open, no defender within 5 yards in front of the end zone, over threw him by 10 yards for an easy INT before the half. That was the game, they could have had the lead going into half. As a QB they get all the credit when things are good, he just couldn't deal with other side of the coin.

The Athletic is a quality pay site. They've found a home for number quality writers, that do a nice job.

Same here, not paying for that. Oh...and our opinions here have as much merit and probability of being right as his. Too many variables to start this stuff now.

At first all I noticed was red. But, as long as were going down the apparel path, what's with a shirt with a pocket and the button down collar with a suit? In a pinch go to Neiman's or Nordstroms, any one of their people in the men's department could have helped him out. Guy is a stud though, and his date makes up for any of his fashion faux pas. I guess just an extension of his "I don't give a F attitude".

And how many of these guys make a NFL roster? My guess is 10 - 15%, tops. They're now ranking meaningless crap like this? Enough already.

After the draft, what's the point of tearing these kids down? You can disagree with the value, position or spots they were picked, but go after the GM. My only caveat would be is if they are so low on character and have a track record of being a trash human being (think Mr. Crab legs, Hill, Mixon ect..) These kids have plenty of time as a pro to get criticized or called out moving forward. Once they start collecting a check they're fair game.

I'm always a little surprised that people still listen to this crap, or watch it on ESPN. So much better content is available now to all of us, with hosts/journalist/entertainers/ex-atheletes that are rational and grounded in sound thought. There primary objective isn't to polarize half their listeners. These entertainment sports networks are all cloaked in a veneer substance. No different than what is being passed off as news, when it's really just inexpensive opinion content that changes with the wind.

With the influx of young talent on offense, why would/should this team keep McCoy? He's done after this year. I know you could say the same about Gore, but for some reason they obviously feel he's a good option to help develop the younger guys. A guy like Gore has earned the right to say when he's done. He didn't sign here thinking he could be a camp casualty. Plus he's really inexpensive. At this stage McCoy isn't going to bring anything special to the table. Obviously he's expensive, too, but throw that out. Good to great teams seem to grow together at the core positions. Faulk was much better than McCoy has ever been and the Colts were willing cut the cord.

Lots of really solid talent on the board. I know they won't draft him, but I'm still a little disappointed Miles Sanders won't be a Bill. He's not that far off from the talent level Barkley brought to the Giants. Very happy with Oliver, it's all good whatever they do from here out.

His talent vs headache quotient has tilted in area of he's not worth it. He's a documented idiot.

When your not a premier destination in the NFL you have to do the little things right. When you lose the battle of location, location, location, you'd think they'd want to do anything they could to show themselves being committed to doing the very best they can for their players. That includes sports science, amenities and staff. This all is very important to organizational philosophy and culture. Why would the Bills not add funds to what Erie County is spending and not purchase peer reviewed high quality surface?

Time to show MeSean the door. Way better in his own head than he currently is.

It's the going market for elite QB play. He's way more worthy than the guy in Minnesota. He's been the Seattle offense since his second year. He should have two rings.

Show me a upper 1st round prospect with a bad highlight tape.

You get it. I've been banging this drum the whole thread. Like a d!ck, got so frustrated I lashed out in a couple of posts. I think we have a fan base like others have stated; buy all the hype and BS the NFL sells us on these potential busts, chumps and jackoffs. We just have to hit the lotto on a couple of these players, that's all the draft is. Every year we have to hear from the talking heads how some guy is the next big thing. How often do these predictions come to fruition?

You're a man obsessed. I give you credit for persistence. The production you're referencing isn't something that has just come along. TE isn't just becoming a premiere position! ANYONE WHO CATCHES THE BALL HAS SEEN AN INCREASE IN PRODUCTION IN THIS NFL!!! Any analyst willing to spend 5 minutes looking into things would see this has been ten years in the making, Look at the individual seasons going back 10 years to more recent that these players had. This isn't the second coming of Bill Walsh's philosophy and the WC offense. What you are saying is common knowledge amongst anyone who really watches the game. I though you'd find this interesting too: https://profootballtalk.nbcsports.com/2019/04/08/nfl-non-mock-draft-first-round-fmia-peter-king/ 2007: Rk Player Team Pos Rec Yds Avg Yds/G Lng TD 20+ 40+ 1st 1st% FUM 1 Tony Gonzalez KC TE 99 1,172 11.8 73.2 31 5 14 0 59 59.6 0 2 Jason Witten DAL TE 96 1,145 11.9 71.6 53 7 12 2 56 58.3 1 3 Kellen Winslow CLE TE 82 1,106 13.5 69.1 49 5 17 1 56 68.3 2 4 Antonio Gates SD TE 75 984 13.1 61.5 49T 9 15 1 54 72.0 0 2009: Rk Player Team Pos Rec Yds Avg Yds/G Lng TD 20+ 40+ 1st 1st% FUM 1 Dallas Clark IND TE 100 1,106 11.1 69.1 80T 10 11 3 59 59.0 1 2 Jason Witten DAL TE 94 1,030 11.0 64.4 69 2 11 2 48 51.1 0 3 Tony Gonzalez ATL TE 83 867 10.4 54.2 27 6 4 0 54 65.1 0 4 Antonio Gates SD TE 79 1,157 14.6 72.3 56 8 18 1 61 77.2 1 2011: Rk Player Team Pos Rec Yds Avg Yds/G Lng TD 20+ 40+ 1st 1st% FUM 1 Jimmy Graham NO TE 99 1,310 13.2 81.9 59 11 18 2 74 74.7 1 2 Rob Gronkowski NE TE 90 1,327 14.7 82.9 52T 17 22 3 69 76.7 0 3 Brandon Pettigrew DET TE 83 777 9.4 48.6 27 5 7 0 37 44.6 0 4 Tony Gonzalez ATL TE 80 875 10.9 54.7 30 7 8 0 53 66.3 0 5 Aaron Hernandez NE TE 79 910 11.5 65.0 46 7 12 2 46 58.2 1 Top 10 in 2015: Rk Player Team Pos Rec Yds Avg Yds/G Lng TD 20+ 40+ 1st 1st% FUM 1 Delanie Walker TEN TE 94 1,088 11.6 72.5 61T 6 13 2 52 55.3 0 2 Jordan Reed WAS TE 87 952 10.9 68.0 32 11 14 0 54 62.1 3 3 Gary Barnidge CLE TE 79 1,043 13.2 65.2 40 9 16 1 52 65.8 0 4 Greg Olsen CAR TE 77 1,104 14.3 69.0 52 7 20 1 52 67.5 1 4 Jason Witten DAL TE 77 713 9.3 44.6 35 3 4 0 36 46.8 1 6 Zach Ertz PHI TE 75 853 11.4 56.9 60 2 11 2 39 52.0 1 7 Benjamin Watson NO TE 74 825 11.1 51.6 46 6 13 1 42 56.8 1 8 Rob Gronkowski NE TE 72 1,176 16.3 78.4 76T 11 22 5 52 72.2 0 8 Travis Kelce KC TE 72 875 12.2 54.7 42T 5 10 1 40 55.6 2 10 Heath Miller PIT TE 60 535 8.9 35.7 27 2 5 0 29 48.3 0

I like this post. Throw the chart out, extract what you can if others want your spot. The picks are worth what others are willing to part with, not what an antiquated spread sheet says. I'm also a proponent of drafting the BPA at 9. Who knows when they'll have a pick this high again? I hope they'er not drafting this high for a long time.

Yes, I was being an #######. Inigo Montoya --- The TE position has been evolving. But it isn't something that just started, go back and look from 2014 to present. 2011 was pretty good, also. Here's a little help: http://www.nfl.com/stats/categorystats?archive=true&conference=null&statisticPositionCategory=TIGHT_END&season=2013&seasonType=REG&experience=&tabSeq=1&qualified=false&Submit=Go The fact TEs haven't been drafted that high does mean something. You proved my point, too. Where were those highly productive TEs you mentioned drafted? It's similar to the evolution of RB value, position production & where they can be drafted/acquired. This kid could be the second coming of Gronk, if so that would be amazing. But Gronk's the best all-round TE ever. Those odds are slim. DL seems to be where elite teams can make their mark. Please give be F. Cox, Donald or a JJ. Watt type. We need to stop the ball from being thrown so easily. I think 5 years of control over an DL prospect or game changing WR does more for the team in the long run. This league is evolving, not just the TE position. Passing is now easier than ever. WR numbers are off the charts. The fact you mention 4 TEs having WR #1 numbers is a product of the league, as well, wouldn't you agree? It didn't just start this year either. Again, I could be wrong. But, Donte Whitner comes to mind. Not a bad player, but he had no business being drafted where he was. I guess the same could be said for a number recent Bills picks in Rd #1. We both want the same thing...a watchable product that can be sustained for years to come.

What rounds were those two drafted in? Hint....I've covered this in the thread already. That's fine and dandy...but in the past 18+ years only 3 TE's have been drafted in the top ten: Winslow, Davis & Ebron. In the past 10, only Ebron. So that doesn't mean sh!t to me, A majority of the rest were taken between picks 25-100. Quality TEs will be there later. Elite teams are built on the lines, go BPA in the foundational positions. The guys clambering for this kid are the same simpletons that are distracted by a shinny new coin and most likely entertained by ESPN and S.A. Smith. What rounds were these three stud TEs drafted? SECOND ROUND and Celek was the 5th. You use your draft capital to grab the highest valued assets. It's a lottery ticket for high value positions. If you're going to hit on one, make it a guy who you can get 10+ years of elite play out of.

So he's worth being picked as the highest TE over the past 12 + years?