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Probably agree with this post more than any other on this topic. 😎 WR3 was a mess, and Knox had a terrible start to the year. That hurt the intermediate and underneath stuff. OC needs to get Cook and Hines (if he isn't a cap casualty) involved in the passing game more. A better WR3 or a future WR1 who earns WR2 this season in camp would be wise IMO.

not sure how Targets 93 Catches 48 (51.6%) Drops 8 (8.6%) <- PFF had 7, SSI had 8, Rotowire had 8, Fox has 9. I used the mean which was also the median. Other 37 (39.8%) <- clearly I rounded up to 40% from 39.8% If it wasn't a catch, and it wasn't a drop what was it? They were either a defended pass (PD or INT), or an uncatchable ball since defensive penalties like DPI and Def Holding do not count as targets. It should be significant to figure out what 40% of his targets were since they were not caught or dropped. Gabe is not natural at getting separation and he isn't a burner so there were probably quite a few passes defended. JA does not fear throwing into tight windows either. The other passes were uncatchable targets. The WR3 position was a sh!t show all year. JA and Knox had no chemistry earlier in the year. So that means look for Diggs, who is amazing, but DCs scheme against or chuck it up to Davis and hope for a catch or penalty. I agree Buffalo needs to find a future #1. Diggs is turning 30 this year. I'll never argue Davis is a WR#1. If drafting a stud WR means Davis goes to WR3 that would be great IMO.

Davis was targeted 93 times last year. he had 48 receptions and 8 drops (analytical sites show 7 or 8 ) That is 56 targets. What were the other 37 'targets'? (40%)

YES. I went on a rant Isaiah Hodgins versus Gabe Davis thread and showed where Davis ranks on things like yards/ yards per reception/ first down %/ TDs and TD%. Davis ranked anywhere from 5th to 33rd in the league last year on all those metrics among all players receiving passes in the NFL. Spotrac probably looked at a similar set of data points and has a similar conclusion. They have been really off at times, and so have I, but the narrative on this board in particular about Davis is ridiculous. And yes, I agree the Bills do need to draft a WR early this year for multiple reasons.

I was mentioning he doesn't know how to fall. I don't think I've ever seen anyone else put their arms to the side when falling before... Judo may help, tumbling/ gymnastics would to. Better late than never? I despise the Dolphins and say nasty things about Tua when we play them, but I honestly find him hard to dislike as a person. Mac Jones, Zach Wilson etc not so much. Easy to dislike those two. I hope he doesn't have any long term effects.

I was replying to someone to correct them that 'Poyer and Hyde were starters on nfl rosters for multiple years.' They were not. No where did I say Anderson was any better better than Poyer and Hyde. But hey have fun making up arguments with yourself. Oh by the way I think he is better than J Johnson because he has a pulse. OBD thought so highly of him that they brought Marlowe back and played him before putting Johnson on the field. don't know yet, he had 110 ST snaps over 2 seasons

Ehm I have to disagree. Both Poyer and Hyde had been named a starting S for only 1 season each, and neither played 16 games as a starter in their respective starting season as a S (Poyer - 6/ Hyde -12) Poyer: 2013 - Poyer was named 4th CB for Eagles in 2013 waived after 6 games. (2 a healthy scratch) 2013 - 2015 backup SS in Cleveland from remainder of 2013 through 2015. 2016 - He won the starting FS job in 2016, but was put on IR after 6 games. Poyer was hardly proven. In total he started 10 games in 4 seasons prior to joining Buffalo. Hyde was a utility DB in Green Bay. Drafted as a CB. 2013 - 5th CB 2014 - transitioned to starting FS (started 12 games) 2015 - starting Nickel CB and backup FS. Forced to start at SS for 5 games due to injury (7 total starts) 2016 - starting Nickel and backup SS. Packers did not make an official offer to retain him (11 total starts) In total Hyde started 33 games out of 63 in Green Bay. Never was able to hold a starting position and was moved around the secondary to get his 33 starts. Both guys had trouble cracking the starting line-up for their respective teams, much less hold down a S position. CLE and GB had good S in guys like TJ Ward/ Tashaun Gipson/ Morgan Burnett and Ha Ha Clinton-Dix. Credit to both the players and the staff for turning them into an excellent S duo. I think Hyde and Poyer both have very high football IQ which is needed in this scheme, and they had the athleticism to perform. I don't know if Zane Anderson is found gold, but this coaching staff does get the most out of DB ability. If nothing else it may free up ST cap space (Matakevitch/ T Jones etc) and upgrade the S room. Should replace J Johnson as one backup S, and potentially fill in for Hamlin given we don't know how Hamlin will progress this offseason. I expect to see a S drafted in the first 3-4 rounds.

This is a legitimate question? This is peak off-season silliness IMO. Tired of seeing Gabe Davis become a fan target for some. Gabe Davis: 93 targets 48 catches/ 836 yards/ 7 TD <- this guy is being compared to Isaiah Hodgins???? In the preseason I guessed Davis would have @ 60 catches/ 800-900 yards and 6-8 TDs. 2 out of 3 ain't bad. Not sure what others were expecting. Let's get some perspective about Gabe Davis' 2022 season. Receiving Yards: Davis was 33rd in the league in receiving yards among ALL players, with one less game than most.... If someone were to parse out the top 64 receiving threats by yardage to each team guess who the first #2 guy by yardage would be? Only 6 of the top 40 players by yardage had fewer than 100 targets. None were in the top 25. Guess who one of those was?: #27 - Mike Williams 93 targets/ 895 yards/ 3 TD <- considered a stud #2 #32 - D Peoples-Jones 96 targets/ 839 yards/ 3 TD <- honestly surprised, good season #33 - Gabe Davis - 93 targets / 836 yards/ 7 TD #38 - Cooper Kupp 98 targets/ 812 Yards/11 TD <- #1 WR, league MVP candidate in 2021 #39 - Jakobi Meyers 96 targets/ 804 Yards/ 6 TD <- better than I thought #40 - George Pickens 84 targets/ 801 Yards/ 4 TD <- 1st round draft pick The only player who had more yards on the same or fewer targets than Gabe Davis was Mike Williams. I hear he is pretty good. Oh and Mike Williams only had 3 TD and a solid 61.9% first down rate. He also has a sub 60% career reception rate. Receiving TDs: Only 14 players had more TDs than Davis. Again Davis had one less game than most. 9 players had 7 receiving TDs, so Davis was among the top 23 of all players in receiving TDs. Tee Higgins had 7 with one less game too - Davis produced the same # of TDs as Higgins in the same number of games. I hear Tee Higgins is a pretty good #2. Gabe Davis had a higher TD% per target and TD% per reception in 2022 than Tyreek Hill, Tee Higgins, DeVonte Smith and DJ Moore A few players had more or equal TDs on fewer targets. Most were TE like Kittle/ Kmet, or RB like Mckinnon. First Down by Reception Rate (how often is a catch a 1st down?) Davis had a 72.9% first down rate per catch... 72.9%. Gabe Davis was 5th in the league among the top 50 target leaders and receiving yardage leaders in first down percentage. 5th. Only 7 of the top 50 players in those two categories had a first down % higher than 70% J Waddle (80%!) Amari Cooper (78.2%!) Allan Lazzard (75%) George Pickens (73.1%) Gabe Davis (72.9%) Scary Terry (72.7%) Travis Kelce (70.9%) The only surprise here is Lazzard, who was the only WR A-Rod trusted early on. Drops: The actual credited drops are 7 or 8 depending on the source. 3 were within 0-9 yards. 3 were intermediate. 2 were deep. Watching the film I would say 5-6 of them were on Davis. Bad for certain, but look at the passes. Example: one of the 0-9 drops would have been an amazing sideline catch. He bobbled it while trying to keep his feet in bounds. He did catch it on the rebound, but his feet were out of bounds. Because his hands were on the ball, but he did not secure it, it was registered a drop. Catch Rate: I get the catch rate was pretty bad (51.5%), but Davis has been consistently a @55% catch rate guy his whole career. If 8 passes were drops, and 48 were catches, what were the other 37 passes (40% of Davis' targets)???? They were defended or bad passes. It seems to me JA chucks up a lot of passes under pressure to Davis because he is the largest target not named Dawson Knox on the team, and Davis presents a better option for a catch or big play. Maybe this is part of why JA 'chucks the ball up so often.' Davis is JA's best option if Diggs is covered and things get ugly. Let's consider. OBJ had a 53.7% catch rate in 2021 <- TSW fan favorite.... can't have 2022 stats if you don't play Davante Adams had a 55.6% catch rate in 2022 <- must stink if he is within Gabe Davis territory with 180 freaking targets.... Rankings among peers - some perspective: Gabe Davis is not a WR #1, but he is a fine WR#2. I do think the Bills should invest in a future #1 with Diggs turning 30 this season and Davis not a #1, but: Davis ranked with Mike Williams and Cooper Kupp among yards gained per target. Davis ranked with Tyreek Hill, Tee Higgins, Davonte Smith and DJ Moore among total TDs Davis also had a higher TD% per target and TD% per reception than any of them Davis ranked among Travis Kelce and Terry McLaurin among 1st downs generated per reception. But I guess he stinks. What we saw was the loss of Cole Beasley as a security blanket underneath. Bease was a @70% catch guy underneath from the slot in Buffalo. Even then his first down % was only 53.7% (124 of 231) in Buffalo. Crowder/ Lil Dirty and Shakir crapped the bed in providing a reliable underneath option. It's a bit dishonest to put that on Gabe Davis, a boundary WR. So TSW expects the Bills #2 WR to have the yards per target of Mike Williams or Cooper Kupp, the TD production of Hill, Higgins, Smith and Moore, TD% efficiency better than all of them, the 1st down efficiency of Kelce and McLaurin and to have the catch % of Beasley who plays out of the slot to be successful??? Good luck with that. WR#3 in the slot was the problem. Not Gabe Davis. Can't imagine why JA chucked the ball up to him so often when the slot stunk, and teams were focused on taking Diggs away. Not to mention the OL being a wreck. The fact Davis is is even being compared to Isaiah Hodgins is ridiculous. How many people here think Zay Jones had a better career so far, or is the better WR???

Adele refused a few years back, at her peak. https://www.wthr.com/article/sports/nfl/superbowl/super-bowl-halftime-show-performer-salary/507-f6f58ea2-2cf0-4e19-9e39-8431579f8900 They get paid basically nothing. "But it may surprise you to know that despite all the extravaganza and hefty price tag to operate the halftime show, the NFL ends up paying the singers and headline performers nothing." If I recall correctly, The Weeknd dumped something like $7 million of his own money into the show! Confirmed From article above: Sometimes, performers even help cover some the production costs. Last year, The Weeknd said he dropped $7 million of his own money, and although the NFL has not confirmed the total price tag, Forbes estimates the show could have costed as much as $20 million. The offset is massive upswings in downloads and other sales the performer get from the hype and performing on the largest televised stage in the USA.

OL for me. Use a mix of pics and what little FA$ will be available. Let all of the FA OL walk. Move Bates back to LG. He was better there. He and Dawkins do well on combo blocks, and he pulls to the right well. FA Sign 1 Above Replacement level FA at RG/ RT - Instead of 3-4 middling OL FA, try to land one guy on a 2-4 year contract who can be an immediate upgrade at RG or RT. Draft 2-3 high to mid tier OL in the draft. I have no problem drafting a WR/ CB/ Stud S in the 1st unless some stud OL falls to them (Best Center in the draft is usually available in the 25-32 range) If that happens, then at least 2 picks in rounds 2-4 should be on best OL possible. Even if an OL is drafted in round 1, double down again in the first 4 rounds. If an immediate starter/ improvement becomes available during the draft trade a pick for him. The FA should be a day 1 starter and improve on RG or RT. The 1st or 2nd round guy should be a day 1 starter. This means potentially two of last year's starters are depth now (Brown/ Bates etc) Don't like Brown as a starter, would be an excellent depth OT. I am an original Ryan Bates fan boy. He struggled at RG. I think LG is his natural fit. But if 2 top OGs can be brought in he is excellent depth at G/C.

The Andy Reid Bowl is becoming a classic

Andy Reid must practice black magic 🤣

not to split hairs, but I think these are the top 2 DL for creating sacks. If not 1 and 2 they are both top 5. Happy fellow Bills fans are realizing how much Dabs and Allen were covering up bad OL play.

that looked like a rugby scrum!

nice balanced attack by Eagles

over 40% of Davis' targets were deemed uncatchable

defense, what is defense?? Go Eagles!!

for all the hand wringing its still 7-7

also a big fan! and: FLY EAGLES FLY!!!

McDermott is from the Reid tree too... just the defensive side.

Those interviews are still comedy gold...

No one will argue he is some top 5 stud, agreed. But the big knock on Jones was turnovers. He was a turnover machine most of the time before Daboll (sound familiar?) Last year Jones had a 67% completion rate, 3:1 TD to INT ratio (15 to 5), had 4th Q comebacks, and 5 game winning drives. (87.7 rate) The weapons on the Giants stunk. Before and during the season Evan Engram (TE) was gone and Kadarious Toney got dealt to KC (where he started flashing his ability). Jones also showed an excellent ability to be a dual threat QB. Does anyone realize Jones ran for 708 yards and 7 TD!?!? (5.9 Average) Wow. To put that in perspective Allen had 762/ 7TD / 6.1 Avg. DJ had 6 fumbles/ JA had 13 (includes lost and recovered) Jones is clearly the product of good coaching (Dabs and Kafka), but he took to it, and had some pretty crappy coaching before. He will look better and the offense will open up in a second year of install, and once they get some weapons there. Not sure Richie James and Darius Slayton is much of an improvement over Zay Jones and Robert Foster.

If Tampa ends up in a total rebuild, they have some nice OL to look at in a trade. Yeah that would mean cap manipulation, but a potential place to make some gestures.

Intriguing after the Senior Bowl. I read about him the other day per the write up on NFL.com when catching up with the Senior Bowl activities: John Michael Schmitz, C, Minnesota Schmitz is probably the most consistent player here. I'm not sure he had a bad rep in practice. He is strong, powerful and tough. He's interviewed really well during his meetings with teams this week. I've been told his character is off the charts. I don't see him being available beyond Day 2 of the draft. Schmitz is a member of the American team, which is loaded with future NFL starters on the offensive line, including Florida OG O'Cyrus Torrence and TCU OG Steve Avila, who showed he can all play all three spots on the interior during practice this week. From nfl.com https://www.nfl.com/news/2023-senior-bowl-daniel-jeremiah-s-top-10-nfl-draft-winners-from-week-of-practic (article covers many Senior Bowl Practice stand outs) I've been wanting a particular C for two years now (Humphrey and Linderbaum) as a succession plan at C who could play G until a decision on Morse is/was made, and learn about calling out protections while Morse is still here. Nothing against Morse, but he is slightly above replacement level and now has 6+ documented concussions. Wanted to get Allen his stud 'career' C. Like Hull for Kelly, or Dawson for Big Ben. This guy fits the idea I have been wanting those two years. Will be looking for more about him.

I agree, not sure where I said that.