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Gabe is top 35 of all WR in yards/ TDs/ yard per reception and 1st downs per reception You don't let those guys go easily unless you are TSW. Hopkins is falling off the cliff. You get 1/2 a season of him like Manny sanders. Davis has clearly out performed Jeudy by any metric.

He has not played a full season since 2020. it is 2023. He is 30 turning 31. Old by NFL standards.

There are so many options between those options. How about Diggs/Davis/ Ritchie-Barrios. Or Diggs/ Renfrow/ Davis? or Diggs/ Davis/ Davis? So many options. I'm open minded to a lot of possibilities. I just don't see D Hop or OBJ in those plans.

Nothing personal my friend, but I am looking at recent production. Hopkins had 717 yards and 3 TD on 96 targets. Davis had 836 yards and 7 TD on 93 targets. Oh and Davis is much cheaper. And Dhop didn't exceed 60% catch stats until year 5. Davis is entering year 4. I'll give Davis the room to improve. And yet Davis had more Yards and TDs than Hopkins on almost the same number of targets,,,, How did that happen?

And it took him 6 years to be an above 50% catch WR Think about that. DHOP took 6 years to exceed 59% catch rate. Perhaps you minimize what Davis is doing.

Bills need a contingency plan for Diggs. Diggs is angry because he joined the Bills to make a championship run. Since his first year here he went from AFC Championshiop game, to 13 second loss to KC in the divisional round, to a blow out loss in the divisional round to Cincy. Going backwards, not forwards. Now he is angry as retirement approaches. I don't blame him. I would be concerned too as I reach 30 as an NFL player.

I don't care about the past. S Hop was a sub 60% receiver for 5 years. Two of those were with Andre Johnson as WR #1. Davis had better yards/ TDs and YPC than Hopkins last year. He is younger and cheaper. Period.

Right now, today building a team, yes I do. Hopkins had 717 yards and 3 TD on 96 targets. Davis had 836 yards and 7 TD on 93 targets.

Hopkins was a sub 60% catch guy for 5 years. 3 of those were as WR #1. And yes, I'd rather have 24 yr old Davis to 31 yr old Hopkins.

Typical TSW troll Hopkins had 717 yards and 3 TD on 96 targets. Davis had 836 yards and 7 TD on 93 targets. Hopkins is 30 turning 31 this season Davis is 23 turning 24 this season have fun with your AARP team

A lot of posters here want ancient D Hopkins signed to be WR2, and spend draft capital on this stiff to replace Gabe Davis. D Hop was a really good WR, but he has not played more than 10 games since 2020. He hasn't passed 720 yards since 2020. He hasn't passed 8 TD since 2018. It is 2023. Last Year: Hopkins had 717 yards and 3 TD on 96 targets. Davis had 836 yards and 7 TD on 93 targets. Davis had +119 yards, +4 TDs on 3 fewer targets, on a rookie deal. Many here swear Hopkins should be signed at 10+ million a year and a draft pick though. How does that make any sense??? It doesn't. It has also become popular here to knock down Gabe Davis and blame him for the Bills offensive struggles. Nevermind the sub-par OL play, or that the slot WR position was a mess all season. Davis and Diggs looked better with a solid slot WR like Beasley. A lot of TSW wanted Beasley out, and you got your wish. How did that work out for you? It didn't. Beasley type slot WR are available (Berrios/ Ritchie/ draft), but don't point that out here. Beane missed on Crowder, so Ritchie and Berrios would suck too according to TSW. Ignore that the OC was new to the position or that the TE and RBs were forgotten for major stretches of the season. Forget developing Cook, or using Hines. Go get Ekeler and his 127 targets last year... that is the answer.... Run game? What is that?, we have Allen, chuck it up where a guy looks open. That was often Davis downfield, as seen by yards per target. The catch % reflects it, but TSW won't admit it. Much like D Hopkins in his first 5 years. 48/ 836/ 7 TD apparently is bad now for a WR #2. A lot of teams and fans would love that production from a #2 WR. That was top 35% WR production in the league for ALL WR. When looking at all WR with 50+ targets Davis scored top 1/3 in a lot of categories. But no: 52% catch rate last year = sucks. It was a bad stat for certain, but how many of those balls were actually catchable? TSW thinks Gabe Davis stinks. Then again I've recently seen TSW attack Tre White recently too. So replace Davis with D Hopkins huh? A WR that did less with more opportunities, costs more and is ancient? Smart team building there. Maybe we should chill out a bit as fans. Did you know Deandre Hopkins never had a catch % higher than 60% for his first 5 seasons?! Hopkins catch % was 57.1%/ 59.8%/ 57.8%/ 51.7%/ 55.2% over his first 5 seasons. Gabe Davis is 56.5%/ 55.6%/ 52.6% as a #2, but he 'stinks'. It took 4 seasons as WR #1 for Hopkins to exceed 60% catch % but WR don't improve their catch % per TSW. Many here think Buffalo should trade for an older version of the guy we already have, is less productive, and costs more Brilliant.

Dude is ancient. He did have a really nice 2022. Don't bank on that for the future. I have wanted Patrick Peterson in the past, not now.

I've never been a big Edmunds fan. I've been rough on the guy, but I want to level set my opinion about Edmunds. Edmunds was picked #16 overall - it was not his fault for being over-drafted, this is why reaching for a position is bad. Edmunds was smart enough to learn the whole defense and start calling it as a rookie. He was very durable, and played through injuries. He kept his business and opinions to himself. He was not a (+) player, but was rarely a (-) player, he was very average on the whole in this scheme. If Edmunds was a mid round pick, I would think differently of him as a player. That was not his fault. He never developed into a game changer. How does a MLB have 2 FF and 0 FR in 5 years? That is almost impossible. He was a terrible pass rusher. 6.5 sacks on over 300 blitzes.... Despite his length and coverage skills he had 35 PD and 5 INT. 19 of those PD came in 2 seasons. Passing stats against him were bad. He took bad angles vs the run. He was often slow to react to the snap. The defense he called was good in the season, but often ***** the bed in playoff games and big games. (Frazier or Edmunds?) I think playing LB in a nickel scheme must be rough. Milano is successful, but was a former S. I think Edmunds realized this is not the right scheme fit for him. Playing in a traditional 4-3 under Eberfluss will get the most out of Edmunds. He was always professional and never threw his coaches or scheme under the bus in public. I don't hate the guy. Honestly the opposite, even as a detractor. I'm happy he got the bag in Chicago. He is in a 4-3 with a LB focused coach, and we will see the best Edmunds can give in that 4-3. For whatever reason Buffalo refused to play a 4-3 with him at SLB or traditional MLB. I think he will do well in Chicago, and I wish him well. He was not what this scheme needed, especially not at that price. I feel the way about Edmunds the way I felt about Gilmore when he left. Good, not great, will play better in another scheme. Will find accolades elsewhere. At least Edmunds did not go to a divisional rival. 'Maine' is in the spotlight now, in one of the largest media markets in the country. I hope he succeeds, and I'm happy he got his big payday. I'm also happy Buffalo did not break the bank for him.

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Agreed again Appoo. OG/RT/WR3/S/QB2 most needed. I like the OG signing.

This team missed Beasley badly. Slot was a total mess.

Well I jynxed that....

More interested in Jamal Williams (DET)

Nothing shocking here TBH. Edmunds got the bag in Chicago. I think he will do well with Eberfluss in a traditional 4-3 and he got the bag. Good for him. I say that as someone who was never an Edmunds fan. I really wish 'Maine' well. Solid guy, over-drafted, average player in this scheme. Poyer is older and banged up. Great player for the Bills, one of my favorites, but the market is not there, just like Beasley. Rachel may have wanted to stay quiet. DC is probably Al Holcumb: Senior Defensive Assistant. He was DC in Carolina. He was brought in a week before the Frazier announcement. If not, Eric Washington (internal), makes sense.

Gilmore will be 33 in September. Had a solid season last year after 2-4 meh years. Lil Dirty is living in the past like a few folks here... It's not 2018 anymore.

I like Lil Dirty in general, but he knows he is on the chopping block. Isn't his appearance on Tuesday? Feel free to let me know if I am wrong.

Standing pat could help. Plenty of good WRs being 'made available' as we speak.

So take snaps away from Breece Hall and Carter? I am all for it...

Will gladly take Davis and Moore off of the Jests hands if they sign OBJ and Lazzard....

Would rather have Davis/ JuJu/ Renfrow/ Thielen than broken up old expensive D Hop or OBJ.