RocCityRoller

Count me in that group too. Anyone have BBQ for this crow?

they show more fight than the team!

I think they have this year as the scrap down and do the best you can year. 2019 - get a talent influx through the draft and FA. Keep in mind a lot of top tier FAs may not want to come here. There are quite a few teams with a lot of cap room, some like the jets seem to be improving but couldn't get FAs to sign with them. Improve the record 2020 - better be competitive with more FAs and draft picks. 2020 is the year McBeane have till IMO, and it is the right thing to do. This year will be rough. I'm not a huge fan of the method, but a complete tear down was long past due, and we are reaching the bottom. No where to go but up!

Tyrod had Wood at C, Incognito at G, Glenn at LT, Watkins, Woods, Goodwin, Hogan and a younger Shady. Not to mention Karlos and Gillislee. On defense Mario Williams, Dareus, younger Kyle, Brown (Zach), Brown (Preston), Bradham (Super Bowl), and a whole secondary of players on other NFL rosters. Live in reality much?

This is one of the oldest rosters in the NFL. That is a FACT.

Thank you for taking the heat. You made exactly the eloquent and focused post I could not. Big thumbs up to you CamboBill. This is not the situation you put the #7 overall pick at QB into. If you think QB play alone is to blame for last week, or even last year you may have a screw or two loose. And last year's situation was palatable to what we have now. Read Carr, David. It's the same thing all over again. By the time the Texans put a half decent OL and WR corps together he was near PTSD and damaged goods. Yet the Bills refuse to learn from NFL history, and may very well repeat it with Allen. As I stated before and will state again, the McNabb in Philly situation was the right way to bring along a raw rookie QB into a terrible offense. Terrible O-Line, terrible WR yet McNabb went 3-2 as a rookie starter. Josh Allen can not be judged as a franchise QB alone this year. HE HAS TO SURVIVE THIS SEASON. A QB can only do so much when the O-line is largely garbage and the WR's can't get separation or make tough catches. Peterman, who may have been an effective backup has already been ruined. So now throw out your #7 overall in the same situation? Now let's ruin the next new QB in a Bills uniform. This is all due to self inflicted dead cap space and bad roster decisions. LET ROOKIE CONTRACTS PLAY OUT WHEN YOUR TEAM SUCKS. This is madness, doing the same things over and over and over again, but expecting different results. I just hope Josh Allen's escapability allows him to absorb less damage than David Carr did. If you are too young to know about David Carr look him up. He took 50+ sacks for an expansion Texans for one or two years and was ruined. This is exactly why old heads like me said, "hey wait, sit the kid for a bit, the OL and WR try to improve even though they are garbage on this team". Maybe by week 10 some trends emerge and you can send out your best OL and WRs without getting your rookie QB killed.... But no, we need to ruin the shiny new toy as soon as possible. This is incompetence at it's worst. Deal away a ton of talent for a chance to draft a top 3-5 QB in a strong QB class then throw him to the wolves on a decimated team. Brilliant team building. If you want to see competent team building look at the Rams and Jets. $&%^%) it - better than I wanted to say. We are praying for hope a la Bruce Smith type player. Maybe you are too young to remember. B Smith #1 Overall pick in 1985. They didn't trade down, they took a difference maker who is the all time sack leader in the NFL, played in 5 AFC Championship Games, 4 Super Bowls, Bills Wall of Fame, and is also in the HOF. You sound like a newb.

I was going to say this. RB is ok, TE has some youth in Croom (and Lee on the PS). Look at the the young QBs around the league and the WR, OL combos they have. Darnold had pretty good time and the Jet WRs are nothing to write home about, but they do have a nice mix of young guys and a few vets sprinkled in. Goff, Wentz and Mahomes have dream scenarios.Even Fitzmagic showed how good Winston has it.

I hate dropping de Beer. I'm tipping one to him right now. Seemed to come in and work hard. Ike B is also gone right?

Vontae Davis - was supposed to offer vet leadership and stabilize the #2 CB position - didn't even suite up. At least Star got ont he field, heck even T Murphy made it to the field. Davis not even making the field put Gaines and Johnson in the target and weakens what was a solid unit. K Benjamin - Pathetic. Softest big WR I've ever seen, does nothing to fight for balls or help his QB. No wonder he was expandable and Cam isn't a fan. Watch another big bodied WR like Evan play WR then watch KB.... what a waste.

Please do tell me who was open? Never discount the Lions The Jets and Browns actually looked like football teams. Even thought I enjoyed Cleveland being the eternal Factory of Sadness and inventing new ways to not win a home game that was handed to them.

you got it right all along Burple, and I learned about the drink. congratulations?

I don't think this is true at all.Thomas is not 'cheap', O'leary produced and was on a rookie contract. I like Coom and Lee, but choosing Thomas over O'Leary was a bad move by the Bills IMO. O''Leary will go to New England or Miami and haunt us. Mark my words.

O'Leary and Coleman are out but Thomas and Foster are in...... questioning things right now....

Kyle Williams? AJM becomes the immediate #2 in Oakland. I wish him well. Seems like a good guy. I'll take a 5th for a late round FA signing any day. Peterman and Allen this year, let's hope the O-line is up to the task.

thankfully this is a depth conversation. I was worried he had other issues with the name of the post. At the end of the day these are still human beings, and I wish them well. The Bills lack high end talent at WR, but do have some mid level depth. Will be interesting.

Yup, just had to find a way to get it done. Anything is possible.

Is it better when you have a QB and no OL???? Even Kelly had Wolford, Hull, Richter, Devlin and Vogler. There is no Wolford or Hull on this line. Nevermind Richter or Devlin. At best Groy can be Vogler. No, I extrapolated all of that from the facts that separate you from your opinion

Henderson has Chron's Disease and had 3 feet of his bowels removed FFS. Multiple abdominal surgeries, reconstructed his whole internal plumbing, yet he is still better than Mills. What is Mills excuse? At one point Henderson was pooping through his nose at 25 yrs old for Chr!st's sake. Henderson had abdominal bleeding from having 3 feet of his bowels removed and 'restuctured', not a tummy ache or a cramp, nor even the dreaded ACL or MCL. His guts were 'rerouted' as the doctor said. That may be major surgery, but I'm no doctor. I'm guessing God put those 3 feet of intestines there for a purpose. He started 26 games in the NFL directly before that. What pain was this guy in before being diagnosed? Who cares, he is an NFL robot right? 'Oh my god he used marijuana to 'alleviate the pain', what a degenerate. 'What a screw ball. He clearly doesn't have his head on straight.' Sh!t I would have been the first person over with a vaporizer to help out Henderson if I knew he had to poop through a tube running through his nose and throat, and that is what made him comfortable. You are a sadist to deny someone relief without addiction. Where was the Buffalo media during all of this???? It's easier to call someone a bust, even in the 7th round I guess. The tough guy TBD posters and Brett Favre would have been hitting the opioid button as often as possible instead. BTW to you d*mb @sses Marijuana is not an opioid. Better my OL with gut restructuring gets a little bit high on the sticky icky when sh!tting through his nose and having no working internal plumbing rather than getting hooked on opioid pain relievers. Yet a real man wouldn't do that according to many on TBD. Many of the geniuses on TBS would have you try to 'walk off' cancer. Maybe if it's really bad like McCain, you can 'take a knee.' Believe it or not Henderson is smarter than you. Opioids are the most addictive drugs in the world, yet we send them out into the world like Pez. Henderson refused them. Yet you are smart and he was dumb. /s He smoked a little weed when bleeding from his belly and pooping into a bag, and is therefore is the devil. We are Fu#ked as a society if that is your line of thinking. God forbid a 25 yr old pooping through his nose or into a bag, bleeds from his abdomen and has his bowls restructured after having 3 f@cking feet removed and wants some pain relief. What a sissy boy. 90% of TBD would be crying like toddlers, punching the opioid button as often as possible. Seantrel should have been getting hooked on prescription opioids instead of getting high on weed. What are his values? Clearly he doesn't have his head on straight. /s He didn't even try to go synthetic to try to avoid the drug test. We all know how well that turns out. You end up naked in a field or 'Fighting for Jesus' in a hotel hallway. Instead Henderson said, "Well, I'm sh!tting through my nose or into a bag on my side at 25, may as well get some relief through what God gave us vs the heroin substitute the doctors want me to take that may make me addicted to Heroin. Yeah, and you want to call him the is the dumb @ss. Keep fighting my man. I'm sorry Buffalo bailed on you, and did nothing to back you up publicly while you were sh!tting through your mouth and having feet of your intestines removed. It was wrong. 'Seantrel is fighting Chron's Disease', and what you went through are two different stories entirely. Yet there he is, a fighter, starting for an NFL team. I applaud him. Good luck Seantrel. I hope you become a pro-bowl RT like you could have become before disease struck you. I want those guys on my team. Yep, I back a guy who had a poop bag from his intestines over what we have at RT now. What does that say? Yep, I back a guy who used marijuana instead of opioids after a series of devastating surgeries. And he and his supporters are wrong? Is Seantrel hooked on anything post recovery???? Is he is drug free now? Check yourself. What do you think makes the opioid crisis happen? Think for a moment. But Seantrel was the dummy for refusing opioids. 3rd and 18 isn't such a big deal when put in perspective. He lost about 3rd and 1 in his gut alone and fought back to the NFL. That is a guy will fight for every inch on the field, because he knows what an inch is worth. That is who I want on my team. I want a guy who values the significance of an inch on my OL. Call me Kooky. I'd rather have a guy that pooped through his nose than Mills. What does that say? I pray Henderson becomes a Pro-Bowl RT. I wish him nothing but success. Get to the Pro-Bowl Seantrel. Keep working and you will deserve it more than most.

He needs an Asylum. Sorry for being crass.

If they had kept Glenn it would be two. Two is better than one IMO, but call me silly. Math is funny that way. Heck 1.5 with Henderson would have been better, and that guy had a Cholostomy bag for half a year. What is Mills excuse?

I voted Peterman. I want to add I am no Peterman fan boy, he is limited. I think the best Peterman is like Chad Pennington. Chad Pennington can win you games if the rest of the team is solid and the offense is suited to him. Peterman has earned the start, what else can a guy do? Don't make him throw the out LOL. If he is staring down his WR on outs as some have supposed on TBD, fix it. I think it is arm strength, time will tell. I do like his tempo, and ability to read a defense at the line. He reads the middle of the field well and his intermediate passes have some heat. He is smart and has tempo. That could help the RBs and OL until they sort this mess out on offense. I do see Peterman as a long term #2 QB. I view this situation like the McNabb - Pederson situation in Philly in 1999. I was living in Philadelphia at the time. No one questioned sitting McNabb for a while until he was ready, because he was a rough talent. McNabb was drafted #2 overall in 1999. The Philly offense was hot garbage, and they let freaking Doug Pederson take the lumps for 9 games. McNabb started in game 10 when the Eagles were 2-7 and there was nothing left to lose. The Philly offense had Duce Staley at RB and not much else at WR, TE or OL. Sound familiar? I think Peterman is better than Pederson, and McCoy is better than Staley. Benjamin and Clay are better than Philly had at WR and TE. That said Philly had Douglas and Whiting on the DL, Trotter at LB and Dawkins, Vincent, Taylor and Harris at DB. The Bills secondary may be up to the task, but the front 7???? Philly ended the season winning 3 of 5, and ended at 5-11 but had something to build on. I see a similar trajectory here. McNabb went on to take his team to 4 NFC Championship games and a Super Bowl. Allen could be so much more. You do not let a top 10 pick get David Carr'd and killed. Sit Allen for 8-10 games andgive him 8-10 games of real NFL game planning. Have him work with Nathan and AJ in the film room, working on presnap reads and audibles. I think Peterman is very good at this, especially for a 2nd yr QB. Implement the quick strike elements of the offense as the full time offense. Get Allen to practice in the quick tempo, short and medium strike offense the team has looked good with in the preseason. The offense has looked best at this in the pre-season, and Peterman is the best at running it. Have Josh play as the dedicated #2 and scout team QB. Has to play as if to be ready at a moment's notice, and offer something most scout team QBs can't offer. This could also help the defense prepare against big armed and scrambling QBs. At game 8-10 put Allen in if the Bills are 2-6 or so. If not let Peterman play until they are eliminated. Peterman has earned at least that much. With 8-10 games the offense should have some semblance of an identity and a 'go to' play book. Probably up-tempo, short to intermediate strikes, draws and some play action. Bring Josh Allen along with the expectation that he can run that offense in practice. Don't put him in until he gets those presnap reads down and can complete those passes well. Then when Allen does come in you can keep the same offense but add in the wrinkles his mobility and arm offer over Peterman. RPOs, deep outs and the occasional bomb. That adds dynamics to the same offense without a reset or whole different offensive philosophy. It seems the most sound plan to me at this point.

Well they both have long hair. I'll take Jennie any day, but whatever floats your boat ?

I can't speak for Elway or Manning, but Jim Kelly came in in 1986 and immediately played behind Kent Hull (C), Jim Richter (G), Tim Vogler (G), Will Wolford (T) and Joe Devlin (T). He had the same line in 1987 when Ballard and Ferrotte were backups.... He also was not a rookie after many seasons in the USFL. That line might as well be the Electric Company compared to this OL. Wolford and Hull are among the best OL in Bills history. Richter, Devlin and Vogler were no bums either. BTW Kelly also had Andre Reed, Jerry Butler, Chris Burkett and Pete Metzelaars to throw to from day one. Compare to Benjamin, Coleman, Kerley and Clay. Comparing the situation Allen is facing vs Kelly is laughable. Despite the OL, WR talent etc, the '86 Bills were 4-12. The '87 Bills were 7-8 in a strike shortened season. A team with Kelly, Reed, Bruce Smith, Kent Hull, Will Wolford and Jim Ritcher went 4-12. They went 7-8 after. Does this fanbase have the gumption to do that? Circle the Wagons and Invest in the future.

Houston was O-line hungry and paid a former NFL starter (26 games as a rookie and 2nd year player) a $4 million one year deal to prove he could come back. Fair point. You are right, who knows what offers were there, or what conversations were had? IMO I feel like we gave up on a guy that is better than Mills that would seem by all accounts to be a tough and inspirational McBean type player. He did play and start 26 games. Who knows how long he had full blown case of Chron's? The post I replied to had an opinion Henderson's 'head wasn't on straight'. That could be said in truth for a lot of former and a few current Bills. I didn't think it fit for Henderson who was dealing with a major medical issue. Good story about Henderson's health issues and history below from the Houston Chronicle. He sounds like a guy who is erudite and has perspective. Not a guy with a few screws loose. https://www.houstonchronicle.com/sports/texans/article/Seantrel-Henderson-gets-fresh-start-with-Texans-13132409.php WHITE SULPHUR SPRINGS, W.Va. – Seantrel Henderson was legitimately scared for his life as white-hot fear nearly overcame his massive body. Plenty of tears were shed. His parents and his girlfriend held his hand inside his hospital room. The young football player was facing a serious medical crisis. Stricken by a devastating intestinal disease that rendered his intestines a poisonous area three years ago, Henderson was worried that more important things than his once-promising football career with the Buffalo Bills was over. Henderson felt like he was being stabbed in the gut, daggers of pain shooting through his midsection. Crohn's disease attacked his bodily functions during the latter stages of the 2015 season. "It was very unpleasant," said Henderson, who signed a one-year, $4 million contract to join the Texans as a free agent this spring. "Very uncomfortable, excruciating pain, I wouldn't wish it on anybody. "I've never been so scared in my entire life. I didn't know if I was going to make it or what was going to happen. It was very scary. Everybody was scared for me." The 6-7, 330-pound future Texans' starting right offensive tackle couldn't stop vomiting. He couldn't use the bathroom. He lost roughly 50 pounds. Ultimately, doctors surgically removed 80 diseased centimeters of his large and small intestines in early 2016. (BTW 80 centimeters is 2.6 feet) For four months, Henderson had to have an ileostomy bag attached to a hole surgically created above his waist. Surgeons eventually reconnected his bowels, allowing him to heal and later resume his NFL career. It was all because of Crohn's disease, the incurable inflammatory disorder that disrupts the stomach, intestines, colon and other organs. Symptoms include abdominal cramping, diarrhea, internal bleeding and chronic fatigue. "At one point when I first got to the hospital, they said my bowels were poisonous and I couldn't use the bathroom for a week," Henderson said. "They had to stuff a tube down my nose, through my throat and suck everything up out of there. I had the ileostomy bag for four months after the surgery, and I wasn't supposed to be able to play football no more." "They said I was going to need the bag for the rest of my life, but I healed so fast that they reconnected my bowels. That's how I got to come back to play again. I'm very grateful." Now, the 26-year-old's medical ordeal has brought him back from the brink of an unpleasant life to being healthy again and back on an NFL roster. Henderson is primed for a significant role on an overhauled offensive line. All of that almost didn't happen, though, because of Crohn's disease. That affects up to 700,000 Americans, according to the Crohn's and Colitis Foundation of America. Although there's no known cure, surgery can help preserve the working portions of the stomach. Altering the diet can cut down the risk of complications. A former blue-chip recruit from Minneapolis who ranked first among all players in the 2010 incoming freshman class when he signed with the University of Miami, Henderson is no stranger to hardships. In college, Henderson battled injuries, a weight problem as he tipped the scales at 375 pounds as a freshman and three suspensions for violating team rules. Henderson later revealed at the NFL scouting combine that he had a history of marijuana use in college. That baggage dropped Henderson to the seventh round, but he still became the Bills' starting right tackle as a rookie when he started every game that season and 10 more games as a second-year pro. His original four-year, $2.8 million contract qualified as a bargain. Then, serious stomach issues threatened to derail his career. During training camp, Henderson felt like he had a charley horse on the side of his lower abdominal area. It only got worse as a portion of his intestines became toxic and he couldn't digest food normally. After being rushed to a Philadelphia hospital in extreme pain in December of 2015, Henderson was diagnosed with Crohn's. That ended his second NFL season and led to the surgeries in January of 2016. Doctors removed more than 2 ½ feet of his gastrointestinal tract. Henderson had to keep going back to the hospital because of bleeding from his surgery wounds. It wasn't until April of that year that his intestines were reattached and he could stop wearing the ileostomy bag, which had to be emptied every hour. A second surgery reconfigured his remaining intestines. Then, he was able to finally start the healing process and resume a normal life and his football career. Before that surgery, though, Henderson was despondent. He was worried that he was going to have to wear the ileostomy bag for the rest of his life. He even wondered if he could find a way to play football while wearing the bag strapped around his stomach. It would have been impossible to be sure the bag wouldn't break while playing a grueling contact sport. "I was in a dark place, I was depressed," Henderson said. "I felt insecure about myself. I had to have the bag and wasn't able to use the bathroom normally. I lost so much weight. I was very unhealthy. I had no appetite. I was told I was going to have that bag on me for the rest of my life and I knew I wouldn't be able to play with that." "After I started healing up, I started getting out of that down moment and my spirits started getting lifted a little bit more and I looked up and I had my second surgery and I was back to training again. Ever since then, I've been fine with no internal problems." The comeback was nearly derailed for Henderson when he was suspended for the first four regular-season games in 2016 for violating the NFL substance-abuse policy. Henderson was using marijuana to manage the pain. Henderson understands that the NFL couldn't make an exception for him to use marijuana medically even though many doctors advocate doing so to ease the pain from Crohn's disease. The NFL policies don't have regulations addressing medical marijuana. "I thought the league would understand," Henderson said. "We're football players, but we're human, too. They've got their rules. I totally understand. What happened, happened." Henderson was later hit with a 10-game suspension in 2016 for another violation of the NFL drug policy. He has been tested regularly under the league drug program, as many as three times per week, but says he no longer uses marijuana now that his Crohn's disease is under control. "At the time, I thought I was done playing," Henderson said. "I didn't think I was coming back. At the time, I was using that for pain. Now, I don't need it. I'm fine. I was trying to not be in a dark place. I was trying to help myself, but I got in trouble. My mind was all over the place..." "All of it's in my past. I've dealt with a lot, went through a lot with it. I really don't even like to think about it anymore. I like the space that I'm in now and the situation that I have here." Henderson is embracing his fresh start with the Texans. They immediately plugged him into the starting lineup. The biggest player on the roster, Henderson is playing under a one-year, prove it contract.

For what it's worth Henderson has Chron's disease. He had to have a chunk of his intestines removed and the rest 'patched' back together during one of his 'IR' periods. I'll cut a guy some slack for that. Some guys take a lot time off for ligament damage etc, this guy had his whole digestive system rerouted. It's not like he was doing Spice or K2 and was found naked in a field or lot. Marijuana would have been a legitimate pain killing treatment in many states after having a chunk of your internal plumbing removed and stitched back together. The team gave up on a guy with a legitimate disease and major medical operation.