MrEpsYtown

People have to realize that drafting an offensive linemen, a right tackle or a guard at 9 in this draft is pure lunacy. There are no Quentin Nelsons or Lane Johnsons here. Taylor has big upside, but he might also be Ereck Flowers, and you can buy linemen in free agency. It's much harder to find big time skill position players. If the defensive line talent is gone, take a shot of Metcalf or Hockenson.

I agree on Morse. He's by far the best center we've had since Hull. If he stays healthy we are going to see a huge difference.

If all of the top defensive talent is gone, and our regime can't trade down, and are going to pick a right tackle or a guard, I would strongly prefer they take a shot on Hockenson or Metcalf. If all of the top defensive talent is gone, I'd rather take a boom or bust receiver then an offensive linemen. Or I'd just take Hockenson. In 2020, unless you can get Tyreek Hill or Amari Cooper or Michael Thomas, or you really like old guys, it's going to be hard to get better receivers. Like I said, Metcalf scares me, but if Oliver etc are all gone, I'm willing to take a shot.

Man we got a gem becuase he pulled his hammy on that 40 at the combine. It all worked out nicely so far.

I think the difference here, for me anyway, is that Bakhtiari was a 4th round pick and we are talking about #9 overall here. Bakhtiari was a flawed prospect who was drafted and developed well. That's why he went in the 4th. I don't think you take a flawed prospect in the top ten. Bahktiari also hits that 34 inch arm length that is typically the cutoff for NFL scouting people when it comes to left tackles. Neither Williams or Dillard do. Dion Dawkins checks in at 35 inches.

Probably just checking out Anthony Johnson

The Bills should sue him because they were misled and defrauded when they thought he had talent.

A team like the Redskins should really just wait until next year. Same with the Giants and a lot of other teams. If you are going to trade something of value for the guy, you have to weigh his value against the guys in this draft, and those who will be available next year. I think that is why it's such a hard sell and why the market is flaccid.

Agreed. I would hate it actually, but I'd understand why they were thinking this way. For all of his faults, Williams is a good player. I'd hate drafting Dillard more. He is not a good player imo. He reminds me of Jonathan Martin. Charmin soft. I think all this interest in these tackles is BS to throw people off what they really want. I think they are trying to get people to think they are drafting a tackle at 9 so no one trades up to take they guy we really want. I do think they draft offensive linemen at some point, Nate Davis or something, but just don't see it at 9.

Yep I understand the idea of drafting Williams and moving him to a guard spot if you think you are getting Zach Martin. I don't like it, but I understand the thinking. I explained above why I don't like Dillard and I don't think he's a first round prospect, and why I don't think he's a fit for our offense. SoI don't understand the interest.

Thats an excellent point as well. I think a lot of his "grades" are misleading. He looks the part, but that is also misleading.

Ive talked about it a lot on the board. I don't like the player and I don't like his fit in our offense. I think he can work for some of the teams in the league that embrace quick strike spread concepts. Dillard is not a good run blocker, and he does not have the length that people think he does. In fact, Dion Dawkins has more, as does Williams. I think he is Jake Fisher as a tackle prospect. The offense he played in hid his deficiencies really well. WSU offensive linemen often earn very high scores on PFF and often amount to nothing in the NFL. He is nothing like any of the linemen we brought in this off season. I think the guy who fits in best with what we want to do and has that nastiness is Dalton Risner. I really don't like any of the other offensive linemen in the first coulple of rounds. I like Ford a bit and Bradbury. But Risner is my favorite. I think Dillard is a trap. I think he's soft and very finesse and doesn't have the ability that he is rumored to have.

Perhaps Matt Milano on the bachelor?

I'd take him in a heartbeat. Get him out of the south and let Frank Gore and Shady take him under their wing.

I think Williams is going to struggle with speed, and Dillard is really going to struggle with power rushers. They are flawed prospects and that is why you do not pick them in the top ten. I do like Williams as a guard or center. I do not like Dillard's game at all. Dion Dawkins is a better tackle prospect than either in my opinion. Jonah is somewhere between Andy Levitre and Zach Martin imo

I know we love our Bills, but I can't think of a more boring team for the general public to follow.

Some food for thought: Dillard: 6-5 315 Hand: 10 Arm: 33 4/8 Wingspan: 80 3/8 40: 4.96 Bench: 24 Vert: 29 Broad: 118 3 cone: 7.44 20: 4.4 Williams: 6-4 1/2 302 Hand: 10 1/8 Arms: 33 5/8 Wingspan: 81 6/8 40: 5.10 Bench: 23 Vert: 28 Broad: 100 3 cone: 8.01 20: 4.79 Dawkins: 6-4 315 Hand: 9 7/8 Arms: 35 Wingspan: can't find it 40: 5.11 Bench: 26 Vert: 26 Broad: 106 3 cone: 7.30 20: 4.78 My point? Dillard is somehow some super long prospect with crazy athletic ability. It's simply not true. Both Williams and Dawkins have longer arms and wingspans. Dawkins has great length and while he is a bit shorter, he has a ridiculous 3 cone at 7.30. Please can someone explain to me why Williams is a T rex when Dillard is some super long prospect? I don't get it. Dion Dawkins is longer and more refined than either of these guys. Dillard is very likely Jake Fisher, a finesse tackle who simply is not good enough in the run game to be good in the NFL. I don't care how fast his 40 is. His PFF scores are meaningless in his college offense and I for one will be extremely disappointed if we take him. He is a second round pick. He is my Mason Rudolph pick this year, the prospect I hate, who is not worth a top ten pick who should go later than people expect. I really do hope this is all false, aside from the Oliver connection.

Dillard makes zero sense here. Terrible fit. I like Oliver and I can understand the idea of Williams. Dillard, no.

I know most people don't like it, but Walterfootball just mocked Hockenson to the Bills. In his version, basically Oliver, Gary, Allen, Bosa, Williams, White are all gone along with Murray and Taylor. With Oliver gone with pretty much all of the blue chip defensive prospects, they have us taking Hockenson. I think it is possible if this happens, but you still have Burns, Wilkins, Sweat on the board. If anybody takes a quarterback or moves up for one, we are going to get a pretty good defensive prospect. With Oliver, a lot of people are starting to mock him to Tampa and I think that is kind of a weird fit in the Todd Bowles defense.

The draft needs to get here already.

I don't think he signed the franchise tender, and it is the non exclusive tag, so he is technically still a free agent. So he can still negotiate a new contract with any team while that team and the Seakhawks negotiate compensation.

I don't want to create an argument here, but this is simply not true. Most mock drafts had Shaq in that 5-15 range, which is where people are projecting Jonah right now. From what I remember the Browns were popular mock spot. I think my comparison, or analogy is the right one. I think Williams is few notches below Zach Martin as a guard (who went 15 or 16 iI believe) and I think he is basically Riley Reiff if he plays tackle. I think he can be a very good guard. I think that there may be some potential big time defensive players there at 9 and taking Williams at nine is a reach imo. The talent you are passing on to plug a possible 10 year guard in is just bad drafting. I think he goes in the 15-25 range.

The team who drafts Dillard is going to very much regret it in a couple of years, especially if they take him in the first. Top ten is a massive reach.

Gunner do you think an offensive player like Metcalf or Hockenson creeps up there before 9?

This is revisionist history. Pre draft Shaq Lawson was compared to Tamba Hali and Brian Orakpo, a powerful, dominating edge player.