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Its defintely the heel version we got here.

That is pretty cool. Though I don't think Murphy makes the team.

I think that word "rare" stands out to me. Hockenson is a rare player at his position, the kind of guy we have not seen come out in a long time. The other thing with Hockenson that I think many people ignore is that he came out early. If he went back to school next year, with Fant gone, he would have been their go to guy, put up massive numbers, and probably talked about as a top 5 pick next year. I'm okay with the pick.

If that's the way the board falls I am all for Hockenson. He's a pretty unique prospect in a lot of ways and I think that our team is in a unique situation. Forget about bias from the past and things of that nature. His selection here makes a ton of sense on a lot of levels. And he's a better prospect than all the crap offensive linemen that people want becuase they are safe. He's likely the BPA in that situation. I also, and I've mentioned this a bunch of times, think that the Bills would be wise to hide their interest in Hockenson as best as they can to avoid having someone trade up into that 8 spot.

I'm not sure enough people here really understand how good Frank Clark is. He's really good.

It's not you. He made no impact. He looked tiny and overmatched. He's not the penetrating 3 Tech people are making him out to be. He's a 1 Tech who can play some three. Right now I'd start Jordan Phillips over him at the three as he has more penetrating ability. I'm not writing off Harry, but people are putting a bit too much stock in his improvement. I think he will be a good rotational player for us, but not a dominate starter.

I love Dion, but man his body looks pretty sloppy in those pictures. Not that I should judge from my couch, but he looks a little out of shape.

I think in a perfect world trade a 2 for Clark. Maybe next years two also. If you do a swap of first round picks, you would have to find a way to trade back up to try and grab Oliver.

Im not sure how much more he is worth, but to me he is the much better player. I don't know how to really quantify it in terms of draft compensation. I'd do a swap of firsts and a third and fourth, something like that. He's much more well rounded when it comes to rushing the passer and stopping the run. Ford is more of a pass rusher, but ironically Clark actually has more career sacks and 1 less year in the league. Clark is only 25 years old and has had three straight years of high level production, while Ford has had a very inconsistent career, while lining up opposite Tampa Hali and Justin Houston a on the same line with Chris Jones. Clark has been really good, and to me, he is just scratching the surface of what he is capable of.

That would be the best case scenario!

Clark is so much better than Ansah. It isn't even close. He's also much younger. You can still get a 3 Tech in other parts of the draft. I love Oliver, but I'd rather have Clark.

People have to realize that drafting an offensive linemen, a right tackle or a guard at 9 in this draft is pure lunacy. There are no Quentin Nelsons or Lane Johnsons here. Taylor has big upside, but he might also be Ereck Flowers, and you can buy linemen in free agency. It's much harder to find big time skill position players. If the defensive line talent is gone, take a shot of Metcalf or Hockenson.

I agree on Morse. He's by far the best center we've had since Hull. If he stays healthy we are going to see a huge difference.

If all of the top defensive talent is gone, and our regime can't trade down, and are going to pick a right tackle or a guard, I would strongly prefer they take a shot on Hockenson or Metcalf. If all of the top defensive talent is gone, I'd rather take a boom or bust receiver then an offensive linemen. Or I'd just take Hockenson. In 2020, unless you can get Tyreek Hill or Amari Cooper or Michael Thomas, or you really like old guys, it's going to be hard to get better receivers. Like I said, Metcalf scares me, but if Oliver etc are all gone, I'm willing to take a shot.

Man we got a gem becuase he pulled his hammy on that 40 at the combine. It all worked out nicely so far.

I think the difference here, for me anyway, is that Bakhtiari was a 4th round pick and we are talking about #9 overall here. Bakhtiari was a flawed prospect who was drafted and developed well. That's why he went in the 4th. I don't think you take a flawed prospect in the top ten. Bahktiari also hits that 34 inch arm length that is typically the cutoff for NFL scouting people when it comes to left tackles. Neither Williams or Dillard do. Dion Dawkins checks in at 35 inches.

Probably just checking out Anthony Johnson

The Bills should sue him because they were misled and defrauded when they thought he had talent.

A team like the Redskins should really just wait until next year. Same with the Giants and a lot of other teams. If you are going to trade something of value for the guy, you have to weigh his value against the guys in this draft, and those who will be available next year. I think that is why it's such a hard sell and why the market is flaccid.

Agreed. I would hate it actually, but I'd understand why they were thinking this way. For all of his faults, Williams is a good player. I'd hate drafting Dillard more. He is not a good player imo. He reminds me of Jonathan Martin. Charmin soft. I think all this interest in these tackles is BS to throw people off what they really want. I think they are trying to get people to think they are drafting a tackle at 9 so no one trades up to take they guy we really want. I do think they draft offensive linemen at some point, Nate Davis or something, but just don't see it at 9.

Yep I understand the idea of drafting Williams and moving him to a guard spot if you think you are getting Zach Martin. I don't like it, but I understand the thinking. I explained above why I don't like Dillard and I don't think he's a first round prospect, and why I don't think he's a fit for our offense. SoI don't understand the interest.

Thats an excellent point as well. I think a lot of his "grades" are misleading. He looks the part, but that is also misleading.

Ive talked about it a lot on the board. I don't like the player and I don't like his fit in our offense. I think he can work for some of the teams in the league that embrace quick strike spread concepts. Dillard is not a good run blocker, and he does not have the length that people think he does. In fact, Dion Dawkins has more, as does Williams. I think he is Jake Fisher as a tackle prospect. The offense he played in hid his deficiencies really well. WSU offensive linemen often earn very high scores on PFF and often amount to nothing in the NFL. He is nothing like any of the linemen we brought in this off season. I think the guy who fits in best with what we want to do and has that nastiness is Dalton Risner. I really don't like any of the other offensive linemen in the first coulple of rounds. I like Ford a bit and Bradbury. But Risner is my favorite. I think Dillard is a trap. I think he's soft and very finesse and doesn't have the ability that he is rumored to have.

Perhaps Matt Milano on the bachelor?

I'd take him in a heartbeat. Get him out of the south and let Frank Gore and Shady take him under their wing.