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I'm talking Tyrod's last year, so 2017 I mean.

Were we like this with EJ? We seemed to turn pretty quickly on that dude. By year 2 I believe, but I'm hearing an even longer timeline.

The 2017 offense really wasn't much bettere than now. I was calling the lack of WRs made Tyrod's already limited skillset impossible in 2016, and the general consensus was he's so bad he can't make his recievers better. Now our general consensus is the WRs are so bad they can't make the QB better. I wonder what changed ? haha

I expected this offense to suck with the loss in O Line and crappy WR, no QBs etc. regardless. I'm just commenting on the theme of the OP that Daboll is crushing it with this fantastic scheme that'll work when he's got the Falcons. He's not crushing it lol, and we're a far cry away a Falcons, Saints, Chiefs offense, so I don't really care what he could hypothetically do with that. The OP is saying it's awesome we're putting our square peg scheme in a round hole because one day he'll get a square hole. It just sounds stupid that he's not tabling his genius square peg scheme and rather just focusing on getting first downs anyway anyhow. Ya know, Chan Gailey style.. which is still super difficult but much more difficult when we're assuming he's making his scheme on imagined personnel we don't have and might not quite have next year either. Just to clarify my comment since it's getting destroyed by everybody. I am just fundamentally opposed to coordinators playing a scheme that they think is genius when it's not considering personnell.. which is the theme of the OP. A good coordinator shouldn't be doing that (and he's probably not) but if the OP is getting his rocks off at this than I wholeheartedly disagree with his very subjective hypothesis. And to this point, I can see the merit there. But OC's should know thier personnel inside out. Anybody getting flushed by an offense that doesn't fit them, should be flushed as he practices a couple reps and sees they don't fit his true desired offense. Come game time just put whatever gimmicky scheme gets first downs and make a mental note Foster's drop on an easy play makes him unelidgable for whatever genius scheme he wants to implement. Again I'm not saying Daboll is doing this, I'm disagreeing with the OP that it's not the sign of a good OC if he is.

They had a strong running game with Roman early on. Probably the best offense we've had in that span. But it was limited certainly, and we have such short memories that we don't seem to remember Tyrod's ability as a a passing threat got worse every year, it was almost like it was correlated with losing his recievers bit by bit over 2 or 3 years and Tyrod isn't a good enough QB to have limited recievers not suited to his only skill set of making broken plays or having great route runners that make the read easy for him.

Neither, Christ how bad are y'all's teams??

They're all in the "to all the Josh Allen fans" just up the thread and vice versa.

Well said. Sometimes a picture is all you need.

I miss the hell out of Thad. Would kill to have 2013 Thad on this roster backing up when all hell breaks loose

Rebuilds don't take as long as we keep harping they do.. you just need one of the better GMs, if we're good next year then this regime is alright by me. The seat gets HOT IMO when the year after isn't up to snuff. I see other teams turn around far too often in a much shorter span.

But we suck today

yes I get what you said lol and that's obviously true. His point after that sentence was our handling of the QB position (going in with Allen and Peterman) has nothing to do with a successful rebuild, it was just dumb. I agree, we really should have had a contingency plan rather than all but ensuring our rookie quarterback, pegged as raw and not quite ready for action.. especially on this offense, starts. Going to the season the best case scenario was Allen stays healthy and plays like he was drafted to be the next Andrew Luck type pro offense day one starter ROY candidate. Which would have been awesome, but HIGHLY unlikely

The qb situation has nothing to do w the so called rebuild. you stopped reading here because you thought he was saying getting Josh Allen wasn't part of the rebuild no? But if you don't expect us to know what you're thinking when you post.. it sort of defeats the purpose. Like we communicate our thoughts by reading and writing, because it's a forum no? Like shouldn't you write in a manner precisely to show what you are thinking so we can understand? Why did you stop reading at the bolded do tell.

This is the most national coverage I've seen for the Bills in like 15 years.. I actually hear us come up briefly in all the crappy talk shows.. so that's neat And uh.. Tyrod is a whole tier better from any quarterback currently on the roster (operative word CURRENTLY. Go Josh next year!). And I'll preemptively say yes.. 60 yards, Saints, whatnot. I know, we seem to think that was his career average. Ya'll acting like he's the worst we've ever had. If we didn't find him we would have had NOTHING in that QB competition he won. He was a tier above that lot and a tier above this lot. Wasn't good to great (read: servicable) but the "CAN'T BE WORSE THAN THE SAINTS GAME" narrative is inane. Taking his whole body of work.. Of course it can get worse! That's all the writer was saying.

He stopped reading before you clarified your point in the next sentence about starting the season with Allen and Peterman. So I guess he thinks starting the season with Allen and Peterman is a good idea. And he hates reading apparently.. can't do more than 2 sentences. On a forum communicated by reading and writing. And blames his illiteracy on you beginning a point where it sounds like you don't think we need quarterbacks as he stops reading.. like if Tony the Tiger said "frosted flakes aren't good".. he stops listening. (they're GREAT) "OH SO YOU DON'T LIKE FROSTED FLAKES TONY HUH??" John: he wasn't even remotely saying what you bolded out and thought he said. And then a pissing contest over nothing ensued.

Wasn't the game upstate? I think my dad is still pissed to this day he went stayed in to study rather than see the game live with his friends. Was kind of hoping for Bama dude and YOLO to chirp in, all Dem Celtics fans. Interesting to see what teams other Bills fans follow because we're all over the place with our other teams (other than Sabres)

Didn't mean to be a dick. But pronouncing it in my head just sounded hilarious. Like I only knew threw context at first I thought you were talking about some football term I never heard of.

No should I? There was a movie on it I believe that gave me shivers of sheer pride every time I watched the ending part of the game. Felt that way on the Olympic Lochte relay where he made that superhuman swimming acceleration to win and get Phelps his gold medal record.

All true, Harbough was the kind of guy that such a hard ***, compliments gave em extreme confidence cause they must have worked so hard to earn it. I'd add that Greg Schiano is the perfect contrapositive to your theory.. he was the biggest jackass I've seen at coach with the Bucs. Anyways I think this is just abundantly obvious.. if we recognize that successful coaches with the hardass reputation also we're complimentary in their own way. Stories of Belicheck's sparse acknowledgement of something you did well at that isn't always obvious too many people.. that's something players really appreciate. Bill Parcells was Beli on steroids and he certainly berated his players beyond what's appropriate. But he preached loyalty, him to the players and players to him and established a mutual understanding that he respects you, a compliment can reach a player in more ways than verbally. Although I'd say Parcells has to be the most successful coach that certainly did lead by negative reinforcement.. just not in the Greg Schiano way. Complimentary leadership takes many forms, a requisite for success. Ostricize. Hahaha OSTRICIZE folks. Don't skip highschool English class I know it's tempting.

Yeah one championship can really satisfy your fandom. I suppose I could add the US World Cup team had it's best performance ever in 2002 summer The 30 for 30 on the Soviet perspective on that game is really good.

I realize I don't have much to work with, I go: Bills, Knicks, Syracuse basketball, Texas CFB. 2002-2003: Melo gets Boeheim's one and only Syracuse championship! One of the most fun fan experiences of my life. Bills were just fun to watch, AFCE was a tight race, I was constantly checking the standings, and they had one of my favorite Bills since being a fan, Eric Moulds! Plus Reed and Price and Bledsoe.. just a fun year to watch even if they didn't quite make it. Texas: 11-2 and Cedric Benson was a college monster. Really thought he'd be an elite NFL RB. Solid roster but just weren't good enough. Plus no college playoffs was super lame. Knicks: not a good year. Sprewell was fun to watch and I love watching basketball anyway, they were a far cry better from most of the Knicks teams in my lifetime. Which is sad.. But in retrospect, I had fun with all four of my teams, and having only 2 championships between Cuse and Texas in my lifetime makes the 2002-2003 sports year extra special. Honorable mention: 90s Bills and Knicks. Syracuse was always a good team those days, Texas wasn't up to snuff.. but no championships sadly. Wasn't around at the time, but I've watched so many old 90s Bills and Knicks games. Those Knicks were gangster, big, physical, tough, and made Madison Square Garden a scary place to play psycopaths like Oakley and Mason. Texas won an amazing 'ship but I think every other team was hot garbage in 2005. What are yours? From all the teams and sports you follow what year had the most satisfying fan experience for you based on how you weighted each team? I'm obviously Bills, as we all are lol, but there wasn't much to choose from given the start of my fandom at basically 2001 or 2002. I love hearing these stories down memory lane.

What offense will maximize each players talents? That's his job.

It sounds like Daboll isn't good at knowing offense if he has a system his players suck at.

I prefer a player's coach myself personally, would take a Pete Carroll over John Harbaugh.. but the styles clearly can succeed equally. You just need to be a good coach at the end of the day, leadership is genuinely being yourself with a psycopathic passion for winning. Players respond to someone who wears his emotions on his sleeve, don't put on an act, and uh.. are smart X's and O's guys

I said all along I didn't want a project QB because A) I've never seen that label pan out... If you didn't learn the requisite skills in 2-3 years of college ball you've proven you're a little slow to getting coached (hope I'm wrong here, rarely see that label succeed) B) we simply were not in a position for that.. needed a day 1 starter or someone who could get in very soon in case of Peterpocolypse. As does almost every team that goes high on a QB.