Bing Bong

I'll sign your petition!

Or if you're like a 2 year old that is adopted after having unfit parents deemed by social services. (Regime is unfit. Parents are unfit)

Yet poignant! Just too true that these threads can't be said enough. Especially after it's more original following ANOTHER blowout! (Because original means unique or new. And we've gotten blown out. Therefore this thread IS Original because it's criticizing a regime with 5 blowouts. Not 4.

Do you not know what poignant means? That was grammatically correct sentence ask your old English teacher

It's a great idea if there terrible and you don't want opportunity cost!

And MAYBE.. just MAYBE the geniuses that created this offense?

Yet poignant! Just.. too true can't be said enough especially after it's more original following ANOTHER blowout

Yep. I'm paying most attention to how many records we can make as "worst team in NFL history at XYZ". These dudes sure are trustworthy and for that I trust the process /s /s /s

If only we could trade Herschell Walker to the Broncos like 1-15 Jimmy Johnson for picks for Emitt Smith, Troy Aikman, and Irvin. We're clearly on the right path because trades like that happen all the time. Benchmark for success. Trade Herschel Walker. Beane's got it all figured out

Don't care. What's the common denominator when we get an abnormal number of picks? Peterman on the field

Hahaha I guess they have to. Who in the organization has the job title to tell the guys to chill with the horn when nobody cares anymore

But we haven't given him a fair shake and seen enough! Who knoooooooows of he's a HOF

Guys we haven't really seen enough from Peterman! He's shown he can make a pass sometimes. Who's to say we can untap that and see what we really got. Maybe he makes a LOT of passes! He hasn't had a fair shake and we really need to figure out what we have in him

Bills not living on planet Earth?? He not even worth the salary let alone giving up assets. He's outta the league

This is the only year I stopped watching Bills game and broke my Sunday ritual. I don't care right now. Only have to wait 7 short months to see Beane magically turn this into a SB team!

No he's a horrible Quarterback. He's good in the 3rd quarters when the defense is laughing about the game so far and how easy they have it, and can win the game whenever they take it seriously. Derek Anderson had a good drive for a field goal on time.. cool. When you preface "this guy might be good at playing quarterback IF he stays in the league for being a horrible Quarterback" it's a pretty damning argument. He's our backup right now and he's really crushing it huh. Should probably have this gig 10 years he's that good.

Y'all know he sucks regardless if the pick was or wasn't his fault right? He'll have a chance to get plenty more that are his fault. And when you throw INTs at the rate he does. He doesn't get the reputation to blame ints on other people.. somehow that nonsense happens more than him. It's the Peterman effect. You don't know why but he's clearly throwing it in a way WR's hate and pop up for picks

It's salary cap room we have. Are you worried about the Pegulas bank account getting in the way of us not trotting the worst offense in history? Cause I don't really care about billionaires money

Hopefully none survive because this ain't the NBA with Michale Jordan or Kevin Durant on the table. It's miles Garret overall some years.. cool. Don't tank in the NFL, you're compensating for sucking at drafting. Nobody is a sure fire thing and anybody in the first round has pretty slim margins of being the guy. See: Sammy Watkins over ODB. Everybody would have taken Sammy he had the best WR draft profile since Julio Jones and better than AJ Green. Cool, let's tank and play craoshoot that doesn't make much difference. Tank city!

At least he's acknowledging this. That's basically start. The first step is knowing. The next step is NOT SCREWING UP YOUR QB ROTATION TO OBLIVION. Although I sound like I,'m specifically talking about bills footbal, lt's the general principal to anyone trying to improve rn. Don't screw up your QBs and throw those self help books out the window. Unless the self help book is "how to cope with your favorite team's GM wrecking the QB position."

christ I've wasted my entire morning on TBD. It's an honest to god addiction. I'm slammed with work and logging out. There's no proof either way, we both raised our points and opinions, and I was just pointing out I was absolutely doing no straw man argument in a 30 minute long writeup. I'll just put it this way: we're looking for one of the top 10 guys in the world at their profession. Of COURSE it's wishful thinking Allen doesn't get ruined, as it is he becomes a great quarterback. Would you rather draft David Carr who is ruined after being sacked to oblivion in a terrible offense to the point of no return? Or draft a bizarro version of David Carr who is sacked to oblivion in a terrible offense and turns it around when the GM finally comes around, gives him help and has an MVP season. There are human beings capable of that, and when we draft JA to this dreadful offense, I want him to never be irredeemable and handle adversity. We're talking about the most difficult mental toughness required in all of professional sports.. we have to draft all the qualities that best equip a quarterback. Maybe Carr would have been amazing being drafted on the Cowboys, but he still lacks an intangible this team sort of needs given the situation Beane's got him in. Tennis players have similar trajectories.. tough mental sport. Andre Agassi almost never lived up to his early career potential, began to get overshadowed by Pete Sampras, but persevered and made a legacy of himself even when his biggest obstacle was another American! at the exact same age! who was the best tennis player ever at that point in time! Agassi eventually could say he was better than Sampras for part of his career. You mention Rich Gannon.. That's exactly who I want drafted. He got his MVP year when he got what he needed, maybe lost confidence at points in his career, but he didn't get ruined, he got squandered until he proved his worth when he was given the right pieces. I want JA to be a Rich Gannon MVP version by age 30 instead with a GM that's actively working to give him what Rich Gannon needed his entire career,

I don't want to throw a wall of text in my quote reply, but I'll try to respond to all your points. But to your quote above, I appreciate you throwing some names back at me. We're sparring, not arguing. You're obviously smart, have a different view point and sparring like that is my favorite thing to do in this forum. We learn some, we change opinion, and agree to disagree on any given point. But anyways a straw man argument is my refuting a point you didn't make. You threw it around quite liberally and maybe I did stray away but I tried to stay on the topic of if quarterbacks could be broken. And dude.. of course I know we're not using "broken" literally, we're both talking metaphorically about if it's possible to ruin a quarterback through early NFL game experience; if that changes their inherent ability to be a good quarterback if transplanted to a suitable team after being in a disaster. I'll concede to a degree yes, but I think the difference is pretty marginal if they began in a suitable situation.. and to not be dismissed as straw man I am assuming your argument is that a disastrous professional start, due to teammates and not the developing quarterback's ability, can dramatically change his ability say 8 years later if placed on a suitable team as opposed to starting on a capable offense, then moving to said team. I wrote my post like a mathematical proof (I'm a math dude). The players I mentioned were my way of providing examples of my point by "proof" (proof as in my case about breaking a quarterback), and throwing at you players that made my case by either direct reasoning, contrapositive, and contradiction to see which one would stick best with you. That said, sure.. I don't know the book on Aaron Rodgers' habits, it was what I was told by a Packers fan so I'll drop him. So let's start with quarterbacks reverting to college habits when they are in a bad situation. Total straw man argument to say that pro scouts perception of bad habits coming out of college mean they are ACTUALLY bad.. just kidding that's not a straw man argument if you just didn't understand my point (see it's annoying to throw straw man everywhere). Don't really have an example of a bad situation, but Phillip Rivers: knocked for weak arm strength and poor throwing mechanics that needed to get fixed and never did. = bad habits from scouts, successful career in the NFL. Rivers was inherently good and reverting to whatever were pegged as bad habits in college wouldn't have worked. Direct argument. First round quarterbacks drafted to a good team: Tim Tebow and Vince Young. No this is not a straw man argument. My point is high picks drafted to good teams that still had bad habits. Contrapositive, if an inherently bad quarterback is in a good situation he's not going to necessarily improve. If an inherently good quarterback is in a bad situation: Steve Young, he's going to stay inherently good. I see no correlation to a quarterback reverting to their college habits (good or bad) regardless of where they go. If they're reverting to bad college habits they weren't good. And if the wrong perception of "bad habit" in Phillip Rivers case isn't indicative of his pro talent, then I find your point about reverting to simply not matter. The players aren't even reverting, they are just playing to their inherent skill set. Vince Young and Phillip Rivers were "developmental q My point is JA's developing sure, but he is what he is. He's not doing anything wrong, he's compensating for a bad team and forced to play unconventionally.. like Steve Young early, or early Eli Manning (and late Eli Manning). Manning never changed, he was on a bad team, good, then bad, and was a decent QB the whole time, with his strengths and flaws, and on the good teams he had some very good years. He wasn't traumatized by sucking as much as he did early in his career. Dude, nobody's traumatized.. this isn't PTSD, and these aren't guys going to war. They're not having flashbacks of interceptions. That's trivializing serious problems man. I'm running out of steam so I'll just say as far as your guys, agree to disagree: I think Tim Couch and Joey Harrington sucked. Inherently bad. I liked Byron Leftwich and he wasn't even a bust IMO, he played for a bad team, and had a good year and had a major flaw having the slowest release I've ever seen. Good athletes lose confidence but this is my entire point! Great athletes don't lose confidence, among other positive attributes. It ain't wishful thinking that JA doesn't get broken. It's wishful thinking that he's got the Eli Manning in him, that he's inherently a good quarterback and we drafted well. All that said we have a cluster**** of an offense and I certainly pity rookies coming into here. I think a young Dan Marino would totally suck on this team, for the entire time he plays here until personnel gets better, if he were to get traded to the Broncos looking for their missing piece he'd kick ***.

MAYBE he sees and makes the right reads.. but he is godawfully, just monumentally (like I can't find the most accurate negative hyperbole wording) stupid in his decision making.. like zero football IQ. Who throws it to your read, EVEN IF YOU'RE RIGHT, when you can't even see past a giant Joey Bosa who's about to crush you just before you complete the follow-through motion to ensure accuracy, and did I mention he can't even see the damn player by that point of his follow through. That is monumentally stupid. You do a full swing in tennis in golf even after connecting with the ball to maintain the contact directing the ball for as long as possible for accuracy. So when you can't even see where the spot you are aiming at as it always slightly moves AS your throwing motion is supposed to adjust to your changing targeted spot during the time it takes OR finish your follow through.. you throw one of the worst picks I've ever seen. I can see why some picks are just thrown straight to a DB with no WR around.. a miscommunication or failure of chemistry happens there. Still a horrible pick, but what I described above is simply a quarterback forgetting to take his brain with him on the field. But enough bashing: I like your point. I discussed game speed and decision making therein. But when it slows down, maybe he sees all the right things but just has no in-game quarterbacking awareness, arm strength, or proper read progression (There's got to be a reason Peterman is still on the roster other than utter incompetence on the coaches). And film room is truly the one thing we have absolutely no insight on. That said Peterman wowing Daboll, Beane, and McDermott could mean a hill of beans given their collective brain power on offense. It would be interesting if what you say is the case and his career trajectory turns into coaching.. like we're looking at a young Jim Harbaugh or Doug Pederson. For as much as I loathe seeing him on the field, him having success at the later stage of his potential football career would be something I'd love to see happen.. and more importantly would keep my screen name on point lol.

I totally feel you, I hate "that guy" regretting on who we never took.. hmm Drew Brees, Aaron Rodgers, Tony Romo, Kurt Warner, Tom Brady.. every team can list 1000 all-pros they picked a bust over. But damn it's hard to get past missing Mahomes, he is just playing so unbelievably well. Could break quarterback season records right now. And when I went back and reviewed all the pick exchanges.. (which is super convoluted, boring, and a waste of time. Don't do it).. Darby was really simply exchanged for Ryan Mathews and Kelvin Benjamin. Gross. And to all the people that say he doesn't fit McDermott's zone scheme. HE"S A FRIGGIN CB.. please! It's a shocker McDermott made Josh Norman work in man coverage so well in his scheme that is apparently so horrible for man to man recievers. CBs do both.. all the time. And depending on the skill set, some play zone or man more often when the defense calls for one or the other or a hybrid, we don't do zone all the time at all. Tre's in man coverage a TON out there depending on the offense.

I know, doesn't matter who said it, matters who buys it.. If JA ever busting is based on nothing but the 2018 offense then you're giving Beane a pass should he just suck. I know anybody could get injured on any play. I just defended Rosen's injury prone narrative as a case of reporting a statistic most QB's don't when a concussion is patently obvious (I know JA certainly has had his bell rung at least twice, and I'd be all for him going out given the real damage comes from repeated head injuries in a short time span.) I get quarterbacks go back to bad habits.. that's a bad intangible (if the habit is ineffective). They need to be able to get back to their job of putting blinders on and focusing on improving. David Carr's just the classic example because there's not many of them! Most acknowledge the QB is bad to begin with.. who's defending Brandon Wheeden for starting out in a poor situation? And I don't even recall if David Carr EVER had a good team in his starting seasons with the Texans. He may never have been "broken" so much as never given the weapons and protection. In that case, sure.. go back to your bad habits if you're trying to win a ball game and the ole pro I-form 7 step drop, stand tall and sling every blitz ain't working, do your thing! Some would say Russell Wilson's penchant for running out of the pocket and creating a broken play in a horrible offense is his "bad habits" coming on, but he's an elite quarterback who's habits in college made him a good pro player. I'm hard pressed to find quarterbacks dramatically change their mechanics out of college on good rosters.. Tim Tebow didn't get anything fixed, nor did Vince Young's throwing style that looked like he was flinging turds out of his hand. it's simply a bad habit from college.. or a good one perceived as bad: Aaron rodgers never fixed his side arm released, I'm convinced quarterback academies should be teaching how to generate throwing power with a side armed sling shot wrist mechanic. Again, Russ Wilson. Phillip Rivers has a side armed release, Brett Favre did, a lot of great quarterbacks are using what worked in college rather than trying to be EJ Manual's impression of Mr. Fundemental. RE David Carr: I said in the same post you replied to that I understand we're not seeing the best of JA, by our own device. And if we don't fix that to properly evaluate him, there's a possible Carr situation where he never started with a good team to begin with (again, if I'm recalling Carr's career correctly). But JA's not shook, he won't be, he has a great intangible for that very reason, and his career shouldn't be about his 2018 season, just what he does when he's given a supporting cast. Steve Young's career wasn't broken for playing for the Bucs, again I used Carr just because he's the poster child for this theory. Name me guys that would have really crushed it if they hadn't had 1 traumatic rookie year because of everyone one else on offense other than them.