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Triggered? Are you a Rosen/Mayfield bedwetter? I'm not saying we shouldn't take a chance under the right circumstances but we should at least discuss other scenarios. The past 2 months has been trade up, trade up. Same BS over and over, same unimaganative talk. You can't even discuss any other options other than a trade up. I see that you have the same mindset of a 7-8 year old adolescent fanboy.

Fans think we don't have a shot at Darnold and most people don't like Allen. Queue the same repetitive BS about Rosen and Mayfield over and over and over again. Any time somebody mentions a prospect not named Rosen or Mayfield they get shut down, it's !@#$ing brutal.

Maybe I'll start a thread on Rosen or Mayfield? We don't have enough of those threads do we? God forbid somebody mentions Rudolph, White or Lauletta.

It's just the same repetitive BS from the same hillbilly inbreds. Rosen or Mayfield, Rosen or Mayfield... I'm tired of it. We can't even discuss other prospects in the draft. God forbid we talk about other prospects in the draft.

.......but that doesn't mean that it's going to happen. I'm so sick of people hyperfocusing on the top 4 QBs. No QB other than Darnold, Allen, Rosen or Mayfield are worth a damn to a huge chunk of people on the board, any suggestion other than the top 4 is lunacy to some. Truth is, there is a very real chance that Rudolph and Jackson are the top 2 QBs on the board when we pick at 12, !@#$ing deal with it. I want a million dollars and a house on the beach, but guess what? It's never going to happen. People need to quit living in a fairy tale land, this is the real world, be an adult and grow up, you don't always get what you want in life... Quit blasting realists when they show interest in a QB not named Darnold, Allen, Rosen or Mayfield, I am so tired of it.

It will be ALOT more than that. You may want something but it doesn't mean you'll get it. I want millions of dollars and Giselle Bunchden but I can't afford the asking price, that's called life, pal.

That's a pretty nice list of guys you put down there.

Great person, great businessman, just not a great football mind.

Allen's highlights come with his arm and gunning it, Jackson's comes with his legs. Allen is overlooked by many, he played on a crappy team with no talent and it hurts him.

Jackson completed how many of his passes? I honestly have a hard time thinking that any QB in the draft scored lower on the wonderlic than Jackson. It shows that he will never be a pocket QB that will dissect you with his arm, first sign of trouble he is going to make a run for it. Oh yeah, don't even get me started on how he picked his mom to be his agent, that is beyond stupid. He is 22 years old and has his mommy do everything for him still. The fact that he doesn't have an NFL agent shows a complete lack of judgement for an athlete playing the most intellectually demanding positions in sports. Teams can't even schedule a dinner with him. The fact that you have him above Allen is downright hysterical. At this point I don't even want to draft Jackson period, not even in the 2nd-3rd round.

Allen is going to be a great QB, I think Rudolph will be an above average starter too. Both players get criticized wrongfully IMO. People will defend players like Lamar Jackson with his whopping 13 points, to bad there isn't an affirmative action for wonderlic tests. Meanwhile Allen and Rudolph triple Jackson's score yet people still defend the guy when intellectually he can't compete with 99% of the QBs in this class but yeah, keep criticizing Allen and Rudolph.

Yikes. Jackson a 13? No thanks to him. Give me Rudolph if we miss out on the top 4.

Oh, he can read. I heard he signs his autograph with crayons.

No. Accuracy takes arm strength is my point, I think the two are closely related.

I don't think Jeff George and Jamarcus Russell count. Arm strength should be also determined by accuracy and ball placement as well, not just throwing 70 yard Hail Marys. To me it's Aaron Rodgers, it takes arm strength to make those tight throws in insanely small windows.

I don't think he is a 1st round pick, I don't feel good about him at 12 or 22. Rudolph to me is a bigger Andy Dalton.

Rudolph to me is an ideal 2nd round pick, I would much rather take 53 and trade up to 34 with the Giants and take him there. 12 - Vita Vea 22 - Rashaan Evans 34 - Mason Rudolph

There is such thing as overdoing it. They should be eliminating some of these rules and speeding up the tempo of the game and ref involvement. So not only do we have to deal with a commercial break every 30 seconds, now we're going to have to stop the game 50 times a game. SMH.

I'm okay with Darnold, Rosen, Allen or Mayfield at 6, either of them work.

Trade up to 6 for Allen or Mayfield.

They can keep kicking the can down the road but eventually they're going to have to eat that equity.

McCarron, unquestionably. Sit the rookie down.

I like the moves this Dorsey guy is making, we'll see. I think they are on the cusp of turning things around.

But does he have big hands?

Deny it all you want, but the no supporting cast argument has some salt to it. Allen also took the most snaps from under center, he will be the best QB in the draft. More talent than anyone else this year, by far.