Foreigner

Today is almost a must win if the Bills are to hold on to their 6th seed position in the mediocre AFC, unless you believe we can beat KC on the road and the Pats twice. Is this the beginning of the Nate Peterman era or not. We can go on about this, and on and on and whether sending TT to the bench is the right call, but the fact is we just do not know, no matter what anyone says. What we do know is the OL has been terrible, the D worse than in Rex Ryans time, no back up RB and no WRs going to the HOF, so there is no sense picking sides, and talking about it until we see what happens today. Enjoy the game.

Good 1. Maybe the O gets a spark with the new guy. 2. Before Tom Brady there was no Tom Brady, so is it possible we are looking at the new man? Bad 1. INTs all day long. 2. The OL gets Peterman injured, and he can not make it through the game.

A New York beat reporter before the Jets game said the Bills were over rated, and almost everyone on this board mocked him. Not everyone in the media not in this area is dumb.

This team has been thin at running back all year long. Nothing new this week. Tolbert is a FB, covering at HB because we gave away Gillislee and J Williams.

Just think McD is trying to get the heat off of him. Has any Bills D given up 500 in two games on the ground? Everyone is talking Peterman this week, literally burying the talk of the horrible D play by our D guru.

How can you not like it. Make the playoffs and it will make national TV.

Coaches spin it like they want to save their own jobs. Instead of all that nonsense about gaps just tell it like it is and say we were terrible. The HOF QB did not need to throw it. Go in the locker room after the game and scream at the defense, and name names to embarress the guys that did not give it all. How many games in Bills history did the DL give up 300 on the ground and 500 the last two games.

This is too good a idea for the Bills to try. It would be a Belechik move.

And another thing, TT was not good Sunday, but if you think he was the reason the Defense has given up 500 yards on the ground the past two weeks, and he cost us those two games, then you have no hope. The only reason a QB would want to play for this team is money. Draftees have been known to force trades, not wanting to play for a organization. Even Dareus could,nt wait to leave town.

Enjoy the bandwagon maybe for another 18 years. There are actually a lot of people on this board who care about the product on the field. The Rams, Saints, Vikings and Eagles all bad teams last year are all leading their division this year. I hate to say it, but this team was better with Ryan and Whaley last year. Also, this years wins were against bad teams and happened with lucky bounces resulting in turnovers. Shady McCoy is a beast, but has not been able to stay on the field every week the past three years, but I think this is the only team in the NFL without a backup running back. Totbert is a fullback who his buddy from Carolina McDermott, says he still has faith in. If you believe that nonsense, I guess you will believe anything.

Why don,t you tell that to the players.

We cheer because we enjoy watching NFL football on Sundays and support our home town team. I understand trying to stay positive, but lets face it, this is an inept organization, and now a no talent team, so as fans who pay their money we have a right to comment. Most of us are realistic after seeing what went on the last two games. To hear this coach get up in a press conference and say the bull that he did, is a insult to every person who was in the stadium Sunday. We want better and are not getting it. Why don,t you watch Robert Woods, Watkins and Goodwin score touchdowns again Sunday and if you don,t know the frustration, then your head is in the sand. The national media makes jokes about this team asking if we have any more WRs to trade. The fact is we don,t. Getting rid of the talent this year has to be the worst trades ever for us. We have a Coach and GM not good enough to get those jobs elsewhere and ownership who does not have a clue about running a football team , much less a hockey team. There are too many records to list of NO team history that were broke to even mention. Both the defense and offense are not NFL quality now, and do you enjoy hearing jokes like-the streaker at New Era gained more yards than the Offense did?

Every member of the organization and every fan should be embarressd because of the last two non competitive games. Why would anyone want to think about playoffs when we were outscored 81-10 (without 3 garbage time TDs) I get it, we all want better, but this team is the laughing stock of the league now. Could they beat the Browns, 49ers or Giants now?. This was to be expected with all the talent sent packing, and McDermott actually had the b---s to say today he still believes in his buddy from Carolina, Mike Tolbert.

I have only seen one post out of these maybe thousands who might want to hold ownership accountable If the fish smells, you cut it off at the head or something like that.

Where have you been the past two weeks? China, South America or just pulling a Rip Van Winkle.

There are a lot of delusional people out there. If you had made the thread, will the Bills win another game this year,then that would be open to debate.

If this regime could not figure it out after the dreadful Jets game, with this sorry performance, they will be gone, unfortunately, maybe not until after two or three years of more bad football. It is rare to find a 31 year old coach who has led the Rams out of the wilderness, but remember we beat the Rams last year, and look at where the two teams are now.

This is really a complex issue with maybe no answer or with these coaches unable to figure it out. It has been said the NFL is a passing league and you can,t win without throwing the ball down the field. That theory went out the window either a little or a lot by what the Saints did. 24 straight run plays is unheard of in the NFL for whatever (30 or 40 years) and yet we have seen like what Robert Woods, Chris Hogan etc have done since they have left the Bills. The Pats organization always does well, the Bills the opposite, so scheme has to be a big part of it. Basically the same talent now as 5-2, but the last two teams have figured out the schemes and the coaching staff has not been able to adjust. Coaches and GMs who almost always make the playoffs do, coaches that don,t get fired.

Shotgunner-when you are right you are right.

Coach had the team ready to play today, and his defense was so wonderful. I got it.

Pretty much on point except for No.2. QBs run the plays OC call. QB was not good but if the O put up 48, the defense may have allowed 88. O not the reason we lost.

At this point it may not hurt, but to blame these two Ls on TT you are delusional.

Pretty much agree with everything started on this except No. 6. The special teams was the only group that was decent.

Regarding the Bills. Ownership 1. The only thing I know about the Sabres is everytime I look at the NHL standings I see who is at the bottom or near the bottom. Coincidence? 2. Who thought it was a good idea to hire those two from Carolina, and how long are their contracts? 3. Why does someone who is apparently a genius in the Fracking industry, think he could be a genius owning sports teams? Management 1. Why did someone who was never a GM before think it was a good idea to trade and give away talent? 2. Why did someone think it was a good idea to replace some of it with players Carolina did not want? Coaching 1. Why was it a good idea to either agree with or have his idea to lose talent that was lost? 2. This was the worst two games I can recall going on eighteen years . Did the coach actually think he was smarter than anyone else with his Defense? 3. If four days was too close to put together a performance, was ten days too far away? 4. I forgot -it is a process. So what year does the process begin? 5. What Coach besides Sean Payton, thinks he can win in the NFL without throwing the ball down the field? 6. Watkins, Woods, Gillislee, Dareus, Gilmour, Darby, Ragland and Rex Ryan, are you sorry you were sent packing? 7. Eli Manning was drafted years ago by the Chargers, but refused to play for them forcing a trade. If the Bills draft a QB next year will he refuse to play for them? Fans 1. We all want to be positive but who actually thought this was a playoff team this year, and could actually win a playoff game? 2. What is to be gained from listening to post game comments from coaches and players?

Another theory being put out is that the players got so angry that their best defensive lineman got sent packing for nothing and if management (including the coach) did not care then why should they. Especially they sent him to a team that he may get a ring from which was weird. If they were that upset with Dareus why not send him to to the Browns or 49ers and then maybe he wished hewould have put out 100% with the Bills.