Billsflyer12

https://twitter.com/SneakyJoeSports/status/1696493958581432397?s=20 Thanks. Been trying unsuccessfully to find how to post tweets.

✍️ Noted. 9-8 floor, 11-6 is ceiling. Hope I’m wrong and your 13-4ish prediction is correct.

The schedule is brutal, hardest this version of team has had. The following scenario isn’t unreasonable one. Division Games - Pats, Dolphins, Jets X2. 3-3 is not unreasonable Likely Losses - @ Eagles, @ Chiefs, @ Bengals. 0-3 Tossups - Jags, Cowboys, @ Chargers. 2-1 Should be wins, but never know - @ WTF, Giants, Broncos. 2-1 Easy W - Raiders, Bucs. 2-0 I feel this 9-8 scenario or 10-7 is most likely. Pats winning division, almost no way I see that happening.

Isn’t there different stages/tiers of what is deemed successful for team sports? Bottom Tier = Success is sucking bad enough to be able to draft elite player. Above Bottom Tier = Success maybe getting to .500 Mid Tier = Success is making playoffs Above Mid Tier = Success is winning playoff game or 2 Top Tier = Success is making final 4 or better Elite Tier = Success is winning Championships Think most people on this site feel this team has had a Top or Elite Tier roster. Problem is their performance and results in playoffs when it matters most are not. They have under performed their talent. Doesn’t mean they are sh*t. Doesn’t mean the owners are sh*t. Doesn’t mean they aren’t still fun to watch. It just means at the level they are at and should currently hold themselves to, the past couple of seasons have not been successful.

Because his greater tendencies and instincts will always be to defend and favor his defense. That’s one of the arguments many make to why its so much harder for defensive HC to win the Super Bowl in this offensive/QB era.

Do the opposing teams also not gameplay or is it just the Bills who don’t? I hear this Bills don’t game plan argument like they don’t and the other team does. Its worse that when neither team game plans you get beat down like that. You either are man to man worse or unprofessionally uninterested.

You are correct, fixed. Lol. @Bengals , @ Eagles, @Chiefs I was just pointing out for all the posters here that have said your a moron or a complete idiot for thinking Bills don’t make the playoffs. There are a few not unrealistic ways they could miss without major injuries. I won’t bet on them missing but I think they will end up 10-7 and that might not be good enough in AFC.

The schedule is brutal, hardest this version of team has had. The following scenario isnt a “totally moronic” one. Division Games - Pats, Dolphins, Jets X2. 3-3 is not a crazy time “moronic” thought Likely Losses - @ Eagles, @ Chiefs, @ Bengals. 0-3 Tossups - Jags, Cowboys, @ Chargers. 2-1 Should be wins, but never know - @ WTF, Giants, Broncos. 2-1 Easy W - Raiders, Bucs. 2-0 9-8 in this scenario. I wouldn’t bet this scenario, but one is not a moron if getting to this conclusion and missing playoffs. BTW, give them a win in likely losses, does 10-7 guarantee playoffs this season in the AFC? IDK.

I would take Allen, but while they are different QBs they are really close. I could make lots of good arguments for Burrow being better. I could NOT make any arguments other then he made Super Bowl for Hurts being better then Allen.

More passing attempts, completions, yards, and touchdowns. Fewer interceptions and turnovers. Made a Super Bowl and AFC Championship games in back to back years.

Greater the talent, the greater the tolerance. NFL way.

Sorry left out an important detail for my stats on that specific post, 7th season with his FIRST team, I have mentioned it a couple of times in other posts of mine but left it out with this recent one. My apologies. John Madden was only NFL head coach to make the Super Bowl beyond his 7th year with his 1st team as coach. For Tom Landry, you either use the NFL Championship Game and the years before or you don’t, can’t have it both ways. If you don’t count the NFL Championship game because it was pre Super Bowl the he made Super in year 6, if you do count it then he made it in year 7. All others on your good table made their 1st appearance beyond 7th year with team #2 or more. I have listed in detail all the stats and data for my argument before in detail, some with reference articles. You can look them up on my profile if you want. I don’t need to keep posting them. Sorry for leaving the important detail out of my most recent post. Hope you are well.

I can appreciate you thoughts on this topic, and you not alone in your thinking. Yet, its not just one piece of historical data, it’s a lot of pieces. These pieces aren't just little ones taken out of context and twisted for a narrative. They are simple, large pieces of information many of which have almost 60 years of longevity. No piece of data or statistics is 100% certain of a specific outcome, there is always variables, exceptions and outliers. They are tools that help us make predictions on the probability or likelihood of events happening or not. The many pieces of data, along with the on field results make the probability of SB appearance and victory by McD extremely small. Can he overcome these very small odds, yes. I and many others no longer wish to bet the prime of Josh Allen’s window thinking McD will overcome his shortfalls as a coach and the history that says he is unlikely to get the biggest prize. As I’ve said, I hope he proves me and the data wrong. Thanks you the debate, hope you are well.

For starters the only perspective that matters on this is the Pegulas, and they have clearly made their feelings on this topic clear. They want “sustained success” and as a business family that brings consistent profits. For small market Buffalo this is probably a huge deal for team stability, viability and likely played huge roll in getting the new stadium. You have a fair perspective and one many if not most currently have about McD. I’ve asked before on here if fans would rather have 5 years of playoffs and 1 SB win or 10 straight years of playoffs and no SB win. Sounds like you along with many other great Bills fans would rather have stability and constant long term winning, even if that means no SB win. For me and some other fans it’s really about winning a SB, even if the winning may be on a shorter cycle. For fans like us the pain of 4 straight Super Bowl losses is 1000% worse than the drought. So with our perspective the scrutiny of the GM, Coach and QB will feel more intense and urgent. McD is a very good coach, and is likely and very good man. This is not personal. Nevertheless, I would never bet any sum of money on McD to even make a SB appearance let alone winning one. There is a lot of historical data, performance stats and current trends saying for that to be the case. I and others have posted all this information before, I won’t do it again. Does this mean he can’t? No, of course he certainly can. Yet, he would literally be the 1st or be one of extremely few in NFL history to win a SB based on many of these stats and trends. To answer your question specifically, I wish we had a different coach and I would have likely fired him after 13 seconds. I don’t want to waste Josh Allens prime knowing almost all the data says he won’t be the coach to actually win the Super Bowl with the Bills. But, I acknowledge to my ultimate frustration that what I feels means absolutely nothing. So me and my family will be there every Sunday this fall watching and still hoping that McD proves me and the data wrong. Sorry for long post, wishing you and everyone on the board good health and a great life.

It’s been posted before in a number of threads, John Madden in 1974 is the only head coach to make his 1st Super Bowl appearance after his 7th year. John did it in his 8th season. Tom Landry made his 1st Championship game appearance in his 7th year. So other then the 2 all head coaches have made their 1st Super Bowl appearance in less time then McD has coached the Bills.

I do have a memory, one of losing 4 straight Super Bowls which pain exceeds by a lot the drought. When you tell people you are a Bills fan now, losing 4 straight Super Bowls is ALWAYS mentioned by them, never the drought. My pain, the stain on our team and city doesn’t end till they win a Super Bowl. Being just a playoff team every year and flaming does nothing for many and the Bills historically.

Chuck Koll won his 1st Super Bowl in his 6th season. Cowher made his 1st Super Bowl in his 4th season. Tomlin won his 1st in his 2nd season. Point being all the Super Bowl winning Steeler coaches had at least a Super Bowl appearance by their 6th season.

And somehow McDermott cant even make an SB appearance with one of those level QBs.

Tom Landry made his 1st NFL Championship Game appearance(pre Super Bowl) in Season 7. John Madden is only coach to ever make his 1st Super Bowl appearance beyond season 7. He did it in Season 8.

Trying to get home from Denver with my son for a camp day. Not being a STH and with ticking issues should I even bother? Miss the days where we just took shuttle bus and walked in almost everyday.

This ^^^^^ We as fans, at least most just want a Super Bowl, especially ones that lived and agonized through 4 straight Super Bowl loses. We want that embarrassment gone for us, our team and most importantly our city. Terry is a business guy 1st, as is almost all owners, and business people in this country. 12 years straight of playoffs and no Super Bowl is way more profitable and better ROI, especially in Buffalo then loading up to win 1 Super Bowl. All the data about McD showing he is likely never make let alone win a Super Bowl does not matter, as infuriating as it is to me and so many. Terry doesn’t care. I mean if they happen to win one along the way great, but “sustained success” means sustained profits for as long as possible. McD may not be good for winning Super Bowl, but he for sure is good for business. As long as that is true, all we can do is hope and pray he overcomes all the historical data, current trends, and likely luck to actually be the outlier and actually win the Super Bowl.

Certainly, again not personal. I like the man, and he is a good coach. Bills defense in last 3 playoff losses: CIN: 27 pts, 412 yards, 30 1st downs, 60% allowed on 3rd/4th down KC: 42 pts, 552 yards, 30 1st downs, 64% allowed 3rd/4th down KC: 38 pts, 439 yards, 29 1st downs, 64% on 3rd/4th downs 0 Turnovers forced and 4 total sacks

1). John Madden is the only coach of the 73 Super Bowl coaches in the history of the NFL to have gone longer than McD without making a Super Bowl appearance. Madden did it in Season 8. 2). Only 11 coaches won their 1st Super Bowl season 7 or later, only 3 (Tom Landry, John Madden, Bill Cowher) did so with their 1st team as Head Coach. 3). In fact of the 35 different Super Bowl winning head coaches, 29 of them won their 1st championship within the first 5 seasons. 4). No team has ever started the same QB under the same head coach for more than 5 years and seen that duo win its 1st championship. These historical stats, along with the current trend from last 5 Super Bowls of only 1 defensive coach (Belichick last SB in 2018 season) being defensive get me to the conclusion that McD even making, let alone winning a Super Bowl is extreme long shot. Yes he could be the exception to all this information, but no one would bet those odds. Furthermore, it’s not personal for me. I’m pretty sure he is a great man and I know he is a really good head coach. That just doesn’t change the facts, data, and historical trends that tell me he is not likely to get to the ultimate prize with the Bills. I sincerely hope he proves all this information and me wrong.

Was thinking the exact same thing.

Would you rather have the Bills get to playoffs 5 straight years and win 1 Super Bowl or get to playoffs 10 straight years and win 0 Super Bowls?