Billsflyer12

It’s been posted before in a number of threads, John Madden in 1974 is the only head coach to make his 1st Super Bowl appearance after his 7th year. John did it in his 8th season. Tom Landry made his 1st Championship game appearance in his 7th year. So other then the 2 all head coaches have made their 1st Super Bowl appearance in less time then McD has coached the Bills.

I do have a memory, one of losing 4 straight Super Bowls which pain exceeds by a lot the drought. When you tell people you are a Bills fan now, losing 4 straight Super Bowls is ALWAYS mentioned by them, never the drought. My pain, the stain on our team and city doesn’t end till they win a Super Bowl. Being just a playoff team every year and flaming does nothing for many and the Bills historically.

Chuck Koll won his 1st Super Bowl in his 6th season. Cowher made his 1st Super Bowl in his 4th season. Tomlin won his 1st in his 2nd season. Point being all the Super Bowl winning Steeler coaches had at least a Super Bowl appearance by their 6th season.

And somehow McDermott cant even make an SB appearance with one of those level QBs.

Tom Landry made his 1st NFL Championship Game appearance(pre Super Bowl) in Season 7. John Madden is only coach to ever make his 1st Super Bowl appearance beyond season 7. He did it in Season 8.

Trying to get home from Denver with my son for a camp day. Not being a STH and with ticking issues should I even bother? Miss the days where we just took shuttle bus and walked in almost everyday.

This ^^^^^ We as fans, at least most just want a Super Bowl, especially ones that lived and agonized through 4 straight Super Bowl loses. We want that embarrassment gone for us, our team and most importantly our city. Terry is a business guy 1st, as is almost all owners, and business people in this country. 12 years straight of playoffs and no Super Bowl is way more profitable and better ROI, especially in Buffalo then loading up to win 1 Super Bowl. All the data about McD showing he is likely never make let alone win a Super Bowl does not matter, as infuriating as it is to me and so many. Terry doesn’t care. I mean if they happen to win one along the way great, but “sustained success” means sustained profits for as long as possible. McD may not be good for winning Super Bowl, but he for sure is good for business. As long as that is true, all we can do is hope and pray he overcomes all the historical data, current trends, and likely luck to actually be the outlier and actually win the Super Bowl.

Certainly, again not personal. I like the man, and he is a good coach. Bills defense in last 3 playoff losses: CIN: 27 pts, 412 yards, 30 1st downs, 60% allowed on 3rd/4th down KC: 42 pts, 552 yards, 30 1st downs, 64% allowed 3rd/4th down KC: 38 pts, 439 yards, 29 1st downs, 64% on 3rd/4th downs 0 Turnovers forced and 4 total sacks

1). John Madden is the only coach of the 73 Super Bowl coaches in the history of the NFL to have gone longer than McD without making a Super Bowl appearance. Madden did it in Season 8. 2). Only 11 coaches won their 1st Super Bowl season 7 or later, only 3 (Tom Landry, John Madden, Bill Cowher) did so with their 1st team as Head Coach. 3). In fact of the 35 different Super Bowl winning head coaches, 29 of them won their 1st championship within the first 5 seasons. 4). No team has ever started the same QB under the same head coach for more than 5 years and seen that duo win its 1st championship. These historical stats, along with the current trend from last 5 Super Bowls of only 1 defensive coach (Belichick last SB in 2018 season) being defensive get me to the conclusion that McD even making, let alone winning a Super Bowl is extreme long shot. Yes he could be the exception to all this information, but no one would bet those odds. Furthermore, it’s not personal for me. I’m pretty sure he is a great man and I know he is a really good head coach. That just doesn’t change the facts, data, and historical trends that tell me he is not likely to get to the ultimate prize with the Bills. I sincerely hope he proves all this information and me wrong.

Was thinking the exact same thing.

Would you rather have the Bills get to playoffs 5 straight years and win 1 Super Bowl or get to playoffs 10 straight years and win 0 Super Bowls?

He won it with his 2nd team. John Madden in 1976 the only coach of 66 different ones to make his 1st Super Bowl appearance after season 7 with their 1st team.

John Fox was replaced in Denver after 3 seasons of 13-3, 13-3, 12-4. He had a .719 winning % as Bronco head coach overall, but was 3-4 in playoffs and was fired. Gary Kubrick came in the very next season in 2015 and Broncos won the Super Bowl.

A better Bronco example, John Fox. 13-3, 13-3, 12-4, fired. Very next season Gary Kubrick got them across the finish line winning 2015 Super Bowl.

There are lots of coaches in many leagues who were fired after good seasons and great track records. - Milwaukee Bucks just fired their coach who won them a Championship after getting them the #1 seed in this year playoffs but losing 1st rd. - Bayern Munich fired their coach mid season while in 1st place while in a 11 years straight of league Championships streak - Eagles have fired 2 coaches in the past 10 years that both had accomplished more then McD - Marty Schottenheimer (who many compare McD with) was fired after a 14-4 record but poor playoff performance - HOF coach Tony Dungy was fired from Bucs after making playoffs - Bruce Boudreau was fired right after winning the Presidents Trophy in NHL

Because you never know for 100% sure the new guy will be better, that can’t be the standard for change. It isn’t in people’s own lives, nor should it be in sports. If a coach is unsuccessful, or some some cases successful but as reached the peak of their ability then an organization may and should look for a new path.

So NO coach can now be fired unless the team has a replacement already that is “absolutely, positively, 100% be better?” When has that been the standard in any sport? No coach would EVER be fired if you have to have the “absolutely, positively, 100% be better“ guarantee because you could never guarantee that. Their are reasonable arguments one could make for McDermott not to be fired, the “absolutely, positively, 100% be better“ one is so stupid and definitely not one of them. - Rex Ryan who was .500 with Bills and had been to 2 AFC Championship Games with Jets. Was a certain DC from Panthers with no HC experience a “absolutely, positively, 100% better” choice? - 10 Super Bowl winning coaches have later been fired. Their replacements guaranteed to be better? - Of the 11 coaches who won their 1st Super Bowl in season 7 or later (where McD is now) did so after being fired from previous team. Having already been fired were they guaranteed to be better the who they replaced? - 3 NBA coaches were fired in last month who had won recent NBA Championships.

Of the 11 coaches who won their 1st Super Bowl season 7 or later, only 2 (Cowher, Madden) did so with their 1st team as Head Coach.

No coach/qb combo in NFL history won their 1st Super Bowl together after year 5 together, is the actual stat. I just looked it up again to be sure. https://fivethirtyeight.com/features/why-coaches-and-qbs-should-divorce-after-five-years-of-not-winning/ Article a few years old but the stat still holds true currently.

The NBA had 3 head coaches fired in the last month that had won Championships. Bayern Munich, current 11 years in row winning league fired their coach mid season when they were again in 1st place. BTW history suggests the opposite of continuity in the NFL to win Super Bowl. No coach/QB combo has won a Super Bowl after 6th year together. In an offensive league, where offensive head coaches reach finals and win Super Bowls McD would literally be bucking current environment and historical data. Could he win Super Bowl with Bills, sure he could. History and data says he won’t. Seems many here are fine with good coach, with good record who flames out in playoffs.

I’m beginning to see a trend now for people defending McDermott to just say, “well who are you going to replace him with?” So as long as one can’t definitively provide a name that will guaranteed be better then McD he can just have his job forever? Not sure why NFL coaches have such a different standard than NFL players and coaches in other major sports leagues around the world.

How come no one has mentioned the Alabama ILB, projected mid 3rd and still available.

Disney made 28 billion in yearly profit in 2022. Yet, they are far from alone in big corporations making billions in profits yet are laying off employees. Make billions, yet what more, the American Way!!!

The schedule is insane, one of hardest I’ve ever seen. As of now I had them at 9 or 10, so 10.5 seems about right.

It’s a NetJet, which is the company Bills and tons of other companies use for charter. It could be chartered by the Bills are any of the thousands of other people, companies or organizations that use NetJets.