Richard Noggin

"I don't have a life outside of football." -actual quote from our new WR. Love to see it. Josh's new little brother. We both keyed on that same quote, of course, but that whole stretch of the interview is REALLY refreshing to hear from a fairly highly drafted NFL WR. His vision for QB<>WR chemistry is so pure, so idyllic. Hope Josh is willing to grind with him on that film stuff. Would love it if all the targets and the QBs had an easier time coming together as a tribe in 2024. Allen has a clearer path to leadership this season. I hope he really goes for it.

Is this a football-related post, or...?

Why is Shakir having to elevate to #2 when the Bills also signed Samuel? And why are those WR #s so important, but also so impossible to define? Curtis Samuel is almost the same exact size as Stefon Diggs (but thicker), definitely faster, less productive down the field but more productive in the short and intermediate zones where Brady seems to want to operate, higher draft pick/higher perceived pedigree initially but at a lower tier of production to date, and is 4 years younger...so why isn't he a great idea for this offense? Like a MUCH cheaper but not super substantively-lesser replacement.

Allen has already QB'd offenses where Cole Beasley, John Brown, Stefon Diggs, and Robert Foster (separately) had career years. Of course Gabe Davis had career games, but never really a top flight season. I think the QB can obviously work with a variety of skillsets. Imagine him with improved talent like he has in 2024? (That's right, the overall talent with Coleman, Samuel, Shakir, Kincaid, Knox, Hollins, and Shorter is an actual improvement to past years.)

This deserves a noisy LFG because Solomon has legitimate traits and legitimate production from a small school that has already produced legitimate pass rushers.

Just hope this likeable, 20 year-old innocent doesn't take Reed's advice on anything OUTSIDE the scope of football lol. Reed was a dawg on the field, and I'd like guys to have access to Former Buffalo Alphas like Reed and Moulds. Reed was eventually effing AWESOME every other year, oddly, just like Moulds was. But it was SUCH a different league. I mean, look at Reed's career 59.6% catch percentage! Gold jacket! That alternating YoY success is a curious phenomenon for the franchise's first two best WRs. Stevie Johnson of all people broke that pattern, and then of course Diggs set a new paradigm in a new era. https://www.pro-football-reference.com/players/R/ReedAn00.htm https://www.pro-football-reference.com/players/M/MoulEr00.htm (Love that Shakir is intentionally letting Eric Moulds wear him out on the field this offseason. That's where I want these guys tapping into Bills legends. On the field.) Beane's comments about Coleman being "Buffalo" (anticipating how much fans will embrace him here) are intentionally the same way he framed Josh Allen for us. And I gotta be honest: he's not wrong. The kid is likeable. Can't tell you how many acquaintances who know how problematic my Bills thing is have reached out to say that Coleman is so grounded/likeable in his press conference (and usually also include how they think his little lisp is endearing fwiw).

Yeah, you sounded right from the jump. Just thought I remembered a quote in there that broadened the advice, or laid out a more general philosophy about advising his draft eligible guys from the South on where they should be not trying to end up.

I think you MIGHT be right with respect to the focus? But WAS it exclusive to QBs, or is that just how they got into it?

Did Dumerville have those freakishly long arms though? Turns out 32.6" versus Solomon at 34"...so advantage our guy. But not at all a terrible comp overall.

Can you say more? It's like an extension of the top recorded speed ever Coleman recorded in the combine gauntlet; although apparently someone posted here that he never hit 20mph in a game last season? That seems weird. Would love to know more about the metric you're introducing here. Love that game vs timed speed tension. I've repeated a bunch on here (like anyone cares lol) how much I think that gauntlet showing (eclipsing Nacua's 2nd best ever mph from last year) is NOT nothing. Apparently the Bills agree to some extent.

Page 6 of this thread has been 🔥from you all. Reasonable discussion of his potential for IOL position flex or not. Experience and performance. Short arms. Athleticism. Interesting size/weight comps to other perceived smallish centers. Funny how well we keep things objective on a day three OC versus a day two WR. Makes sense.

That isn't a wild take tbh, especially in light of Coach Prime's very public comments about advising his guys to avoid cold weather teams. Then again, JA17 helps a LOT.

Logs in for five seconds, sees consecutive posters whining and bemoaning Bills lack of action in top half of 4th round, slowly backs away...

Eric Moulds is a compelling comp, but we all know our guy Moulds was functionally more physical and much faster down the sideline than Coleman seems to be. Coleman does have more wiggle and more above-the-rim game, though. Moulds was a lot like AJ Brown, I think, if that makes sense. Just a monster. Not a lot of WRs have historically brought that same kind of brutish alpha physicality AND (deep) nine-route knack. Coleman compares more closely to Tee Higgins to my eye. Measurables for sure (not QUITE as tall), and tape to an extent. I'd actually argue that Coleman is a little shiftier, whereas Higgins played on better offenses and got to show off slightly better top end speed. Mike Williams (the one the Jets recently signed from the Chargers) is another potential comp. Same distinctions seem to apply.

Estime strikes me as a guy with BAD feet. I can't wait to learn more about Troy Franklin's draft profile and why he is a day three pick and not a day two pick. His production was elite, and his advanced stats/analytics are mostly top-5/top-3, and apparently Joe Brady recruited him way back when. And he gets behind boundary DBs. Seems like the exact kind of guy the Bills are lacking. REALLY looking forward to learning more about why the NFL judged him to be a day three pick. Estime's slow footwork and acceleration are huge red flags for me. I have several family members who are Notre Dame alum, and I tend to watch their games. Estime seems like a bad pro projection. I remember upstairs at Tempo watching Doug Whaley, in person, mock Trent Richardson's lethargic, excessive footwork. To my recollection, Whaley was with a newly-acquired Shady and the rest of the RBs, and trying to fit in by pooping on an RB who CLEARLY (to all of them present) just wasn't a legit pro. But it might have been a year or two earlier than that. I remember Shady (when he first arrived) being a snipey prick who cast mucho SHADE (of course). The younger dudes immediately gravitated to him. Shady was a doosh tbh. So I recall Whaley trying, with success, to match that energy and poop on a former 3rd overall pick at RB who just could not play in the league. Estime seems like that to me.

I shared some pro-Coleman ideation as the process carried on, especially following his combine gauntlet display. He started as a total red flag for me, given his jump ball proficiency. But the deeper I looked, the more I appreciated his skill and athleticism. He looks on tape like a long-striding, speed-gatherer...but also with short-area agility. Won't be a separation-demon who wins on footwork and technique, but will still probably win enough to make plays. I think the Bills offense under Brady will be perfect for him, with an assortment of now-routes and screens and slants and digs and nines...hopefully nothing too complicated or variably contingent on defensive alignments/coverages post-snap.

Never forget Coleman's fastest-ever combine gauntlet top speed (and how damned straight and crisp he ran it while snagging fastballs away from his frame). Puka Nacua vibes (owner of the 2nd fastest gauntlet top speed). I was afraid of his contested-catch red flags early in the process. His lack of separation. But even before his sneaky good, under-the-radar combine, I was starting to see something special in his play. Like he's potentially a better prospect than a Q. Johnston or an N'Keal Harry...

I kinda was gunning for the exact scenario Beane found himself in yesterday and today, with respect to trading back out of 28 (from a thread yesterday that's locked now): "After a million mock drafts where I stayed at 28 and either politely chose the preferred remaining (5th or 6th) WR (usually Mitchell or Coleman back then) or chose an unexpectedly available 1st round prospect at OL or DL just because loud BPA value (usually one of the top OCs, DTs, or DEs)...I started to trade back out of 28, oftentimes more than once. If Franklin is a perfectly acceptable WR target, then he can be picked at the top of the 2nd while also gaining a late day-three, top-100 pick the NFL recently stole. Rosters are built on day two and early day three. The 2024 1st rd draft trade scorecard is as follows: Bills give 28, 133, 200, 248 (232 pts) Bills get 33, 95, 141, 221 (237 pts)" The trade above is REALLY close to what actually happened innit? Just replace Franklin with the previously mentioned Coleman and boom. That fastest-ever combine gauntlet is no joke. 2024's Puka Nacua. I just kept trading back into the top of the 2nd as draft day approached. Didn't see the organizational value in any other approach over a series of simulations. (Personally I actually wanted Worthy tbh, but not when I was wearing my draft nerd hat. Trading back was the ONLY path to satisfying whole draft results when I considered long term team-building and cap health. Needed that extra day two pick. Had to have it.)

Around our bonfire I was making a repetitive joke about picking Franklin from pick 33 on. Started to mean it more and more as day two went on. Was stepping away from the laptop to gather brush needing burning, and when I came back and the Bills were about to pick again I kept asking if Franklin was somehow still on the board (at 60 and at 95) because honestly I'm still surprised by his slide. His analytics and productivity and all-around film are favorable. Just being not heavy seems like not enough to cause this tumble to day three. Our OC even recruited this guy back in the day. It seemed so obvious. But nopers. Who knew?

Google is your friend. I, a person in my 40s, had to google it even during the draft as I tried to keep track. 3 picks each, with Bills moving back in 1st but moving up from 4th to 3rd and up in the 7th.

Bunch of weak-arse constitutions on display, predictably, from Bills fans here. I know the KC x Worthy trade really strains credulity, but it MUST mean Beane didn't value that player at that pick. Then the Car x Legette trade further twists the anti (fan)-consensus WR knife. But again, Beane isn't pulling that trigger blindly. He's obviously trying to recoup value at a spot where he sees a lack of it. So he disagrees with most of us that Worthy or Legette were worthy of picks 28 or 32, respectively, for the Bills. I was mostly in the pro-Worthy and pro-Legette camps, in the spirit of full disclosure. I think we've finally entered the Josh Allen franchise QB cap hit era where YoY draft capital is more valuable than need-based fan consensus. The only scenario where trading back was acceptable to me was with these very minimal moves. That way, Troy Franklin is still available and we've recouped a 3rd (for a 4th) and turned a late 5th into an early 4th, among other moves. OR another trade-back is available for even better value because pick #33 is a power pick in that regard. Who knows? (of course it's also possible that Beane gave KC their next dynamic WR weapon to pair with the QB we also gave them.)

After a million mock drafts where I stayed at 28 and either politely chose the preferred remaining (5th or 6th) WR (usually Mitchell or Coleman back then) or chose an unexpectedly available 1st round prospect at OL or DL just because loud BPA value (usually one of the top OCs, DTs, or DEs)...I started to trade back out of 28, oftentimes more than once. If Franklin is a perfectly acceptable WR target, then he can be picked at the top of the 2nd while also gaining a late day-three, top-100 pick the NFL recently stole. Rosters are built on day two and early day three. The 2024 1st rd draft trade scorecard is as follows: Bills give 28, 133, 200, 248 (232 pts) Bills get 33, 95, 141, 221 (237 pts)

You know whose advanced stats are effing AWESOME by comparison? Yup...Troy Franklin.

Those fastest-ever combine guys tend to apply that straight-line speed to the NFL field in year one, do they?