Matt_In_NH

The risk is in guys you dont draft or keep and deveolop on your roster because you want this clown instead.

I have no idea what you are talking about. Comp picks "roll over" somehow? I have never heard of that, why would a team not use them? Can anyone shed light on this, how do you find out what comp picks a team has?

OJ Howard, He fills the need for a WR but also give you mismatches and makes you less predictable. He is also predicted to go somewhere near the Bills pick so there is no reach. Basically they could run a lot of 12 or 22 personnel (2 TE's) with the option to motion Howard out after locking the defense into the personnel you want. Obviously running out of 12 and 22 will also be done. He also adds depth to TE which is a one (average) man show. Bills fans are hyper focused on players who have WR next to their name but the name. But to me, a TE who has WR type of receiving skills who can also block is way better than having a WR. In fact, he can be used as a WR in 4 man sets like NE does with Gronk.

Pretty sure the Bills dont have any comp picks this year.

I would not touch him but that is just me.

If Whaley did this, he would deserve lots of criticism. It does not make any sense at all for AP or the Bills. HAHA, OP obviously mean "kick the tires" ?

The Bills do not have a 4th so we are talking 10th pick of third round?

Not selling? I would sell for the right price.

I am not sure I support this idea but if they team decided that made the most sense he doesn't have to like it, it is not really his decision. All the players should be willing to do whatever it takes to help the team win more games.

There will be injuries this year too though, promise.

For those saying we need to use Clay, to me its obvious he is not the guy we thought he were getting. He does not have supreme athletic ability that Howard would bring. Clay has a chronic knee condition that makes it hard for him to excel. Drafting Howard is kind of equivalent to drafting a WR in terms of receiving talent but also adds the ability to block and add to the run game. Gronk is Bradys best receiver. I don't know that he is the guy to draft because they should use their rankings and there are other needs but he could make sense to me.

Maybin and McCargo for me. I am going not just based on busting out but also because they were huge reaches and never should have been drafted when the Bills selected them.

The Bills are fighting for one of two wildcard spots as always.

Excellent

Heartbreaking, so sorry to hear your family has to endure this.

I get it, but only looking at who the WR's/TE's are in the SB's won is kind of narrow sighted since winning a SB can come down to one play here or there. Both of these guys have had extended success and opening things up to their careers is a better way of comparing. 7 SB's is ridiculous in a good way, no argument from me, when I look at the playoff record, AFC Championship and SB appearances, it seems impossible but we know it is true. You made the argument that other than the QB, the important factors are who the WR's are and what weather do they play in as important factors, both lean toward Brady, I will just agree that Peyton has had better WR's. You also say Brady has done more with less, and maybe you are just talking WR's again but that is where I disagree. You have left off some important factors such as coaching, OL, defense, special teams. All told, which career would you rather have, play for Belicheck the whole time with the great defenses, running game discipline or play for 5 coaches with lackluster defenses and OL most of the time? Brady has done more with more when you look at the whole picture. WR's are not that important when it comes to winning super bowls, here is a list of some of the best over the last 10-15 years, TO, Moss, Bruce, S Smith, Harrison, Fitzgerald, Wayne, A Johnson, Boldin, Holt, J Jones, A Brown, B Marshall, I think among those, you have 4 SB wins. Comparing Brady and Montana is a harder thing to do because of the rule changes that greatly favor QB play in game outcomes and career longevity. However, no matter what generation, 7 SB's will win if that is your measuring stick.

Here is what Welker did, almost all of it with Brady, you tried and put him in as Mannings receiver and it was not a mistake. If that does not show how one side you are I dont know what would. Here are his NFL records. NFL records[edit]Most seasons with 100+ receptions: 5[30] Most seasons with 105+ receptions: 5 Most seasons with 110+ receptions: 5 Most seasons with 115+ receptions: 3 Most seasons with 120+ receptions: 2 (tied with Cris Carter) Most consecutive seasons with 110 receptions: 3 Most games with 10+ receptions: 18 (tied with Andre Johnson) Most games with 11+ receptions: 12 (tied with Marvin Harrison) Most games with 12+ receptions: 9 Most games with 13+ receptions: 5 Most games with 15+ receptions: 2 (tied with Jason Witten and Brandon Marshall) Most games with 10+ receptions in a season: 7 (tied with Andre Johnson) Fastest receiver to have 500 catches with one team (New England Patriots) (70 games) Longest touchdown reception: 99 (2011 vs Miami Dolphins) (tied with 12 others) Most receptions of any undrafted free agent in NFL history: 903 Most career punt returns without a touchdown: 264 Most career punt return yards without a touchdown: 2,584

HAHA...exactly

The fact you list Welker as a WR Manning had is kind of ridiculous, He was not even on the Broncos when they won the SB and you would never even have mentioned him if not for what he did with Brady. I think you are valuing "HOF" receivers to be a lot more important than they actually are. I see that all the time on these forums where it seems like the only position people want good players at is WR and if you dont have that you dont have a chance, not true. The Pats show you that. Jerry Rice is the exception, he was remarkable. While Harrison and Wayne are HOF worthy, that is a product of Manning, I bet they dont make the HOF if they played somewhere else, like say Buffalo. The Pats have a different offensive philosophy that does not favor having one or two great WR's. In all of Brady's Super Bowls he had talent to throw to. Again, just to restate, I think Brady has to be favored over Manning in this debate, I just think it is closer than you obviously feel.

Mannngs record in cold weather is really bad. However, warm weather teams/dome teams generally do poorly in the cold, if you want to take that to mean Manning could not play in the cold, I guess you can but I dont agree. It more a product of the team/ the climate they live and practice in than "he cant play in the cold" IMO. Manning played pretty well at Tennessee in college which gets cold at the end of the year. Pretty much every time Manning "played in the cold" he was on the road which is generally a disadvantage than playing at home. Look at the stats of Brady Vs Manning, overall, 11-6 in favor of Brady but 10 of the 17 games were played in Foxboro so the win/loss percentage is pretty much in line with location of the game. Manning was 3-1 vs Brady in AFC Championship games, 3-0 in his home field so I think that shows he also has an advantage playing at home.

You are helping to prove my point, a dome/warm weather team is at a distinct disadvantage in a cold weather market. Do you disagree with that?

I disagree with a lot of your conclusions. The weather Brady plays in is an advantage not a disadvantage. Brady has had plenty of talent at WR/TE/RB over the years. He is a different QB than Manning altogether and relies on TE's and slot WR's over traditional wideouts. Who had the GOAT HC? Brady

I definitely give Brady and the Pats a lot of credit. Its even worse when you realize its 10 or 11 AFC Championship games in 15 years. Where Brady truly stands alone is win loss record, regular season and playoffs, he is a complete outlier from anyone else in history. Totally ridiculous. But that is giving all credit to the QB which is one part of a big team. Who would you rather have as your coach, Belicheck or Caldwell, Fox, Kubiak, Dungy. All told, he had 5 coaches in his career I believe, Brady has had the benefit of the greatest coach of all time his whole career.

I get what you are saying and there is truth to it but winning in the playoffs is a hard thing. You have to give him credit for his total body of work. Those 9 times were years his team made the playoffs, plus all the others where he advanced. His team made it to 4 SB's with 4 different coaches. In all cases that is the only SB for the head coach. Brady has Belicheck If you look at Bradys post season stats as compared with regular season since 2005 you see a pretty big drop off just like Manning if you look at TD's/INT's, rating. Both QB's are 2-2 in the SB since 2005. I say since 2005 because the teams Brady was on in 2001-2004 were very different, Brady's role on those teams was very different. Manning played Brady 4 times in the AFC Championship game and won three. People don't seem to know that stat, instead there is this perception that the Patriots owned Brady in the playoffs which is not true. Since 2005 they have played pretty even but Peyton was 3-0 in the playoffs. Having said all that, I would say Brady is better than Manning. I just think there are arguments in Mannings favor and its not as lopsided as a lot assume.

Im comparing to the 90 not 70's or 80's. Sports science is always progressing but they had nutritionists and were very big strong and fast. There have been much larger changes in rules than there have been changes in nutrition. Other positions are not experiencing the same longer careers.