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What happened to the rule you can’t put all your body weight into a QBs as you hit them on a follow through? Did that penalty just go away during the season? That could have been called on Watt too on the Bills last drive. Horseshit officiating on that drive. Technically I guess they could call Ford on what they did, if you want to give the refs the benefit of the doubt but it was highly questionable and it wasn’t the intent of the rule to stop blocks like Ford’s which was actually impeding a pursuing defender and was neither blind nor vicious. It was a blatant call to influence the game outcome. I’m so glad they mic’ed up that juice monkey meathead Watt to hear him say “let’s go” 85 times. You don’t recover from surgery that fast land on it like he did a couple of times without taking some type of PED like HGH.

A little heavy on who actually got playing time as a starter versus actually being effective. These lists are generally silly anyhow and completely laughable 2-3 yrs from now.

San Diego will likely draft a guy and keep Tyrod if they move on from Rivers. Carolina hasn't moved on from Cam...yet, but I don't see that as a spot for Dalton with a new staff coming in and likely looking to get their guy at the position. Washington is a possible spot for Dalton, but would you want to play for that franchise where Snyder hand-picked Haskins and Rivera was likely asked if he had a good plan for Haskins as part of the interview process. Tampa Bay ain't gonna happen - I think that they may look to keep Jameis with some competition for the spot (honestly this could be a landing spot for Newton if not Carolina, but Arians wants to throw deep and they most likely want someone who will protect the ball better than Winston - not exactly Dalton's strong suit when it matters most). Rivers would be an interesting back up and likely a good mentor for Josh. However, I think he's more likely to retire a Charger than finish his career somewhere else. I think Dalton is a possibility, but not very likely. Winston would be another interesting QB, but doesn't fit the Process IMO - his play on the field and his off the field reputation would seem to me that he wouldn't even be considered. I think we could all get behind Fitz Bills version 2.0. Ultimately, I think the Bills will draft a guy mid to late rounds to see if they can find a capable backup that is smart with natural ability and a high ceiling. Someone like Jordan Love, Utah State wouldn't be a bad pick.

Yeah he looks like a good prospect. I originally thought of Waddle - who looks really special. I'm not sure how his stock will shake out. All of those WRs at Alabama kind of take the pressure off of each other, so its hard to assess them, but Jeudy is clearly the one that is going to go the highest.

Sure, but there are some teams that will give you a good idea of how well a player can do if they play against good defensive backs. I think some guys are being keyed on because of their speed, size, and production - but the most telling thing about how good they might be is how well they run routes and create separation, especially against press coverage, and how well they adjust their routes to the ball and defenders while the ball is in the air. It's one of the hardest positions to evaluate and get right in the draft because the position is so dependent on so many other factors. A good blocker, a good route runner and good adjustment are the only things that you can really count on in evaluating them, and how much extra can be coached versus some traits just being who they are. What makes a great WR is pretty elusive. Every once in a while you just see a guy that is undeniable like Randy Moss, Julio Jones and Calvin Johnson, but for every guy like that there are 3-4 guys that are supposed to be that good and never materialize into that game changer (Sammy Watkins anyone?!!) and you usually have a couple of guys that no one ever thought would be all-pro talent rise out of nowhere.

Perkins is a project, but one with enough upside to warrant a roster spot and enough ability to play. He is a better passer than many give him credit for and his placement on a lot of those throws make them look like risky throws but he is placing them better than you think because of the percentage of times receivers do come down with the balls. Just saying what people may be seeing as bad throws are actually confident throws into tight windows. I've seen him get into a rhythm as a passer and be pretty consistent with quick reads of the defense and smart throws. The NFL is an entirely different animal but a guy that knows how to get the ball out and read defenses can succeed, especially when necessary he can make time and yards with his feet and has a knack for keeping his eyes down field. He isn't a top prospect, but he has more tangible traits that you can get by with out of the gate as a QB for a team built around a similar type athlete (without the rocket arm). I think with good coaching he could be a really solid NFL backup that could be pretty effective for a few games, especially playing in the same system as Josh. That's why I like him - I think he would be a good fit for the Bills team. From everything I've read he is a pretty good person that has persevered through a broken neck and continued to improve. No doubt the kid has determination and work ethic to be a good fit as well.

Honestly a RB like Perine will be likely available in round 3-4. That’s about where the Bills should look at getting some RB depth. Mekhi Becton, T, Louisville, Jonathan Greenard, DE Florida, orare good picks if available in the 2nd. Bryce Perkins, QB, UVA is a good developmental prospect at QB that would be a likely upgrade as a backup - probably a 4th rounder. Bills can go go heavy on Offense - DE is the position on D to address but that’s really it.

So many choices, really. There are going to be so many good WRs available. No. 1-2 caliber guys like Justin Jefferson, Michael Pittman Jr. with big bodies that haven't been mentioned in this thread. But its not just top heavy, it is all around. You will have guys that could be really good that are underrated or played with QBs/OLs that were struggling or offenses that had numerous good players but not a lot of volume of passes directed their way - Van Jefferson, UF will be mid-rounder, but is a solid all around WR, Joe Reed, UVA is a great returner, but also a WR with good body control and strong hands who will probably be a late rounder to UDFA. There are many more, but the point is - a WR can be had anywhere in this draft and it wouldn't hurt to pick up some extra picks to double dip at the position.

Pittman is a good fit for the Bills with his size and is also a good blocker. 2nd round they might have to move up to get him. I like that pick for them. Justin Jefferson, WR for LSU is another player that is similar. Really good class of WRs. Even someone like Joe Reed from UVA in the very late rounds or as a UDFA would be a good depth player because of his kick return abilities and has good hands and speed. Van Jefferson, UF is another guy that is a good WR that will be available in the mid to late rounds that is the son of an NFL WR coach and former player, Shawn Jefferson. The Bills can address the need at WR throughout the draft. For that reason they may want to pick what will be harder to come by when they have the opportunity. I think they need another solid OL player, a Edge rusher, and depth at RB and QB outside of WR. I think the Bills should pick an OL in the first three rounds, especially if they can get Mekhi Becton, T, Louisville. Play him at RT to get his feet wet in the NFL and move Ford inside. I'm even fine with them taking him in the first round, but that may be a bit high. In the later rounds the Bills could add some depth on Offense IMO - Watched the Orange Bowl and Bryce Perkins QB, UVA really impressed with his pocket presence, ability to throw under pressure, and ability to read the defense; LaMichael Perine, RB, UF also demonstrated why he is an underrated prospect that struggled behind a crappy run blocking OL, but broke several explosive plays during the season. Jonathan Greenard, UF is also a 2nd-3rd round prospect at DE that is just a smart player, a leader, and has great pass rushing moves and doesn't ever give up on plays. I watch a lot of SEC games and UF games so I know their players better than other conferences. I think CJ Wilson at corner is way overhyped as a first round CB. He misses assignments a lot and it lead to many big plays against their D, and he didn't fare well against more physical receivers. A Freshman came in and played for him in the Orange Bowl and it was a drastic improvement - although that Freshman is likely going to be a huge star in his own right being a very highly ranked recruit. Zuniga, DL is also going to get a lot of hype and be drafted high, but he is constantly injured, commits a lot of penalties, and is overaggressive on the edge leading to good OL easily taking him out of plays. This is how I know that how people rank prospects is not based on good enough information sometimes - and I get it, its hard to watch all of these teams closely. I wouldn't touch either Wilson or Zuniga. I think they are great athletes, but not great players.

The Bills move the ball consistently with Allen, but not saying he doesn’t have room for improvement. Allen is very close to being a very good starting QB if he can improve a little more with presnap reads and getting the ball out faster - which I think is coming. The accuracy is always going to be a thing that rears it’s head in my opinion but he just needs to improve a little bit there. I wasn’t a big fan of drafting him but he is far better than his stats suggest as a passer and is a far better QB than Barkley because of his pocket presence, his ability to extend drives and plays with his feet and his ability to make throws Barkley can’t. He’s also a leader that the team gets behind and follows. If Allen were turning the ball over a lot still you might have a better argument about Barkley, but you can see Barkley’s limitations as a passer and lack of pocket presence and how that impacts the offense and his effectiveness. For all of his yards how many points did the Bills put on the board.

Rookie is the best option and I agree. Bryce Perkins from UVA would be a great pick for a backup development QB. Watched him in the orange bowl and seems to be have a very similar skill set to Josh without the cannon arm, but great feel for pocket and ability to throw in and out of pocket and while under pressure. I was very impressed with him versus a tough D. Will likely be a 4th or 5th rounder. Wow. The dude is a turnover machine and mistake prone. Allen may not pile up stats but is more effective.

Snyder made his money through highly questionable means, alienated one of the strongest fan bases in the sport, and is just generally not a good person that looks to exploit everything he can. I'd say Snyder because of the damage he has caused. https://www.washingtoncitypaper.com/sports/article/21066973/happy-20th-anniversary-dan-snyder-washington-fans-are-not-cheering Haslam just bought a franchise that wasn't doing much well and has done worse than his predecessors. But both are pretty bad.

McDaniels has been a proven failure as a HC and like Todd Haley - is way too full of himself and it permeates into the locker room as a guy that is going to blame you before he blames himself.

For sure the D played the biggest part in the loss, but bad tackling was only part of the story. They could have played better, but the Bills were getting held like crazy on every play. It was egregious that the Patriots didn't get called once. Not saying they couldn't have played better at all, but there was a reason that a much-maligned OL was all of the sudden all-star caliber at blocking when it hadn't been all year. I'm pretty sure that's what Jordan Phillips' personal foul was about near the goal line. He'd had enough and let his frustrations out. I commend the Bills on not losing it before then, despite numerous chances to let the Pats get under their skin - Brady grabbing Oliver's leg as he's walking by. Edelman talking crap and then playing possum like he was concussed after committing offensive pass interference and trying to draw a flag for unnecessary roughness (at least they called it against the Pats). A couple of DL staying on top of Allen well after the play was over on numerous occassions, the worst being the one where it looked like the DL was actually preventing him from getting up by pinning him to the ground. The Bills will store this one away and are not intimidated, and I really don't think the Pats can take them again if they meet. The Pats lack sportsmanship - that's why as good as Brady and Belicheat are, nobody really likes them - they're arrogant and dirty and to be honest it's why everybody wants to see them beat (not just Bills fans).

Deep class and I hadn't even watched Omar Bayless play though I'd seen a few highlights here and there. He's pretty impressive, not a great blocker, but great hands, explosive and shifty.

Agreed. It's a hard position to get right sometimes and you saw Whaley and Nix really struggle to find a good WR even though they spent a ton of picks on them. Woods was probably their best pick, but TJ Graham and Marquise Goodwin were terrible picks and they way overspent on Watkins (and a lot of us knew it at the time too). The Bills need to hold steady at WR in this draft they could land two really good players at the position without having to even pick one in the first round.

I like Pittman a lot too. I'd want him over Shenault to be honest. Good at adjusting to the ball and strong runner after the catch. Reminds me of Andre Reed.

Barnwell is slowly coming to terms with the Bills actually being good, and the same can be said of some of the skeptics in the fan base as well. I'm not really a fan of his dry and often misguided analyses based on looking at certain stats as predictors rather than used in context to explain what happened in a game. For instance the stupid QBR metric is clearly not a measure of good QB play, but instead just an indicator of a type of QB play that is not really good at determining anything meaningful.

Funny thing is this a deep WR class but not likely to produce a lot of elite superstar WRs in my opinion, where the most successful ones will not necessarily be Jeudy, Lamb or Higgins. I think Higgins has trouble creating separation in his routes and isn’t very crisp in running them. Jeudy had the benefit of other stud WRs on the field with him that created far less attention on him than if he was the guy way better than the others. I’m not saying these guys aren’t good, but the Bills can wait and will have a chance at getting someone that checks the boxes they are looking for. You know they will be looking for a culture guy anyway that does all the things they expect like work hard to improve all facets of their game, is smart, and is a good person and teammate. There will be guys in the 2nd and 3rd round like Gabriel Davis (UCF) and guys very late in the draft like Van Jefferson (UF) whose father was NFL player and coach (btw Jonathan Greenard would be an absolute steal if the Bills have a chance in the 2nd round at DE - he has great technique, is a leader and is a really smart player)

That was actually the most upsetting ref call of the game. The flag was thrown after the back was already down and was probably the fishiest call of all of them. It felt as if it were thrown exactly for the purpose of giving the steelers an extra TO and a better chance to tie the game up.

Sure but he didn't come through in the Browns game this year which was very costly, and has been shaky pretty much all year. I like him, but like someone earlier in the thread stated - kicking in the NFL is all about making them because it means points every time you step on the field for a FG or PAT. Missing a good deal from 50+ isn't such an issue, but missing PATs and kicks less than 40 yds away is. And he is missing both. He should be the first one to recognize he needs to get better.

Great call to believe in what McDermott and Beane were doing. I'm still superstitious about getting too excited about them to be honest - irrational most likely, but there is an entire psychology of being a Bills fan that has you questioning everything until proven otherwise. Maybe part of it is that the Coaches are growing into their roles as well - I think that is what happens with coaches as well as players. It's a really neat thing to watch and it has us all imagining things we haven't had the luxury of thinking about for a long time as Bills fans - like coaches and players that are having a really good season and just starting to wonder how much better it could and may be.

Great win. The Cowboys are very talented, especially on Offense. Although, you don't get to 6-6 because everything is copacetic. The Bills are the better team, although they may not have the top shelf "established" talent, but they did some things to establish that they are very talented as well. I was very much in the "Oh boy! Here we go again." after the first drive by the Cowboys (penalties and run D were very frustrating to watch), but then the Bills settled down and turned the whole thing around like very good teams do. The Bills are hitting their stride and we can only hope that they continue to pick up momentum over the next couple of weeks. Going 2-1 over the next three would be a very good outcome, but I know a lot of us are thinking why not 3-0? I'm starting to think that as well, but this is a young team and this is a very tough stretch of games. They are certainly capable of it, but they've got to continue getting better to do it. Whatever they do, this has been a pretty fun ride so far, and I think this team is really going to be a good team for a while. I've openly questioned what McDermott and Beane were doing in the first 2 years, but I will have to concede that they certainly look like they had a plan that they knew they could execute and are starting to reap the rewards of their investments. They have been focused on building a team that is more than a collection of talent - a collection of talent doesn't work very well in the NFL as has been demonstrated time after time. I was critical of what I perceived as missteps by Beane and McDermott (not that they haven't had them, but all coaches and GMs do) - but in moving out those that had talent but didn't fit the vision, they appear to be creating something special. I guess as Bills fans we've seen the rebuild before and we just didn't want it to be a tear down that turns into a failed rebuild with a Coach and GM being desperate to keep their jobs doing whatever they can to push off the inevitable. They've got a young core that still has a lot to prove, but they are starting to prove it. Dallas was one of those prove it games. The next 3 are as well. The Ravens are the biggest challenge that you can have and if they play well and somehow take them down -watch out. The Bills are built to handle mobile QBs with their team speed on D, but the Ravens also run it right at you with toughness as well. If they can neutralize the running game between the tackles and have their own success on Offense it may be a very entertaining game. I know McDermott and Frazier are looking at this one and are capable of creating some issues for the Ravens but will be happy to have a couple of extra days to game plan.

Lots of options in the draft. I like Justin Jefferson from LSU, Tee Higgins from Clemson and Terry from FSU - WRs that go after the ball with body control and size. The kind of guys that move the chains and can make contested catches. The draft isn't full of blazing speed WRs(there are a few), but it is deep with good solid WR prospects. DaVonte Smith could also be one of those guys who is a solid choice in the 2nd or 3rd round and is pretty good route runner and runner after the catch.

Tie Breakers definitely favor Pats if they have the same record as Bills - unless they drop one to the Bengals or Dolphins. I just don't see that happening. I do think it is possible that they lose to both the Chiefs and Bills. But that means the Bills would have to run the table to win the division. A tough task, but who knows.