Rochesterfan

Many things go into it, but a lot is core strength and hip flexibility and rotation. It is the same reason some guys can throw 100 mph fastballs with pinpoint accuracy and a similar build person with less training can’t. Or how a golf pro can drive a ball down the fairway 350 yards, but me with the same equipment and ball seems to go 220 yards and scare the heck out of the people on the next fairway. First they have to have natural strength that they can build from (arm, shoulder, neck, upper body), then you need core strength and hip and lower leg strength to drive the ball. The power comes from the hip rotation and core. That is why even on his arm throws this year - you see him get his hips out in front. That helps drive the ball and provides accuracy. Josh is naturally strong and just with a flick can throw a long way, but as we saw in the Jets game on the overthrow to Brown - just the arm causes the ball to direct erratically.

The best part to me is you could see some of this development happening, but they lacked the players to help him. That first year you could see the throws, but we kept asking was Josh inaccurate or did his receivers never make plays. You would routinely see other QBs get bailed out by an amazing catch to keep a drive alive or like that 1st game in Miami where he made a huge athletic play and then launched the ball to Clay and he reacts poorly and it is incomplete. Or a great pass to a streaking Zay Jones and he just failed to get under it to make the play. Guys like Foster and Benjamin would flash, but not make the big play to help out. That got a bit better last year with Brown and Beasley, but you really see a difference this year. Diggs just goes and gets it and that makes those plays so much nicer. The 50 yard completion to Diggs against LV is the perfect example - it was not a perfect throw - even Josh admitted that, but it was in the ball park and Diggs makes the play. Therefore it goes into a beautiful highlight reel that in year 1 was left empty because no one makes that play. You can really see the development and his manipulation of the defense this year and his touch and arm angles are amazing. What a difference a year makes!

Because it is where the ball leaves the field of play. They have marked it like that for years. It used to be where you would land out of bounds, but now it is where the ball leaves the field as the player goes out. It is most noticeable at the goal line where the goal line used to extend “around the world” and guys could leap and land 5 yard out of bounds past the goal line and get a TD and now they have to have the ball inside the pylon.

Maybe we watched a different game, but didn’t they just hold one of the better rushing teams way down yesterday. They held Jacobs to under 50 yards for the day and only gave up 1 big run 16 yards - so 32 yards on his other 14 carries - under 2.3 yards per carry. Not sure run defense was really an issue in this game.

I really think this is true. From day 1 - Josh has fought and worked with teammates and they all talk about their respect for him. He will run through a wall - so the least I can do is run with him. Josh really seems to fit with his teammates and they accepted him and that was huge because they did not have to. Much like Fitz - Josh seems to have a natural ability to just bring out the best in those around him (both offense and defense). Josh has worked hard each off season and he really seems intent on honing parts of his craft each off season and I believe that work combined with the stability and growth here has allowed him to blossom. Darnold I believe has always been a top dog. He has just infinite talent and has never had to work hard to be great. His teammates always played for him, but you do not see that camaraderie. I also think he is a hard worker, but he has many traits already ingrained because he has been doing this since junior high. He had specialized camps and practices and everything you could ever want and therefore I think he takes for granted how to break it all down and build himself back up. The last thing is that desire and want to. Josh has had to work for everything - trying to play college ball - sending thousands of letters trying to get noticed - a desire to get better with limited talent around him. He worked and fought all along. Darnold just does not have that - he got the best of everything- training, then scholarship to USC and the talent there. I think those experiences define each player. Darnold had everything to be great - now he needs coaching and a team to bring back the desire. Allen was super raw, but worked his butt off to make himself into something and his teammates see that and respond. I don’t feel like Darnold would of thrived here - even with the staff - I see to much Rob Johnson in him and I think the fan base would have been all over him.

I think the Bills were hoping to use him as part of the Zo replacement- strong side - limited snaps - more run stopping than coverage. A lot like they tried to utilize Zo the last couple of years. Zo was a liability in coverage - so the Bills tried to protect and use him situationally. The difference is Zo was still a play maker and Klein just seems slow and he has been getting pulled into coverage. LV did a nice job formation wise - playing big (2TEs) most of the game. That gets Klein on the field and then they attacked him. My take away is the Bills learned something and made an adjustment and now we will see how they move forward - especially in regards to Milano’s injury.

I just don’t think he is a good fit on the outside anymore. He is to slow in coverage and I think you are seeing him replaced outside with Dodson. Maybe he is more suited to the MLB position at this point. We will see once DelShawn gets back - if he and Dodson are ok on the outside - I could see Klein deactivated and let go in the off season.

With Deshaun - I think they will have takers. Especially as you can get a coach and GM together.

I really don’t care either way. The 2 point conversion rate is barely over 50% and some teams (Steelers/Eagles) have really driven up the conversion rate - for everyone else it is closer to 40 -45%. I get the 9 points would be nice and would enhance you win percentage, but chasing points is usually a bad thing. I have no issue with trying to push the deal. A converted 2 point play increases you win percentage and a failed 2 point conversion brings a tie and a loss back into play. The standard extra point gives you 8 points - which takes a loss totally out of play and means the Raiders are chasing points just to tie. Either way at the start of the 4th quarter - there is a lot of game left to be played - the decision either way is fine because both teams are going to have multiple possessions going forward.

Totally disagree with this part. The postponement allowed additional testing and contact tracing to occur. Also allowed the Pats to get a 2nd plane lined up so those that had contact could fly on one and those that were clear could fly on the other - eliminating some potential contact points. It was smart and prudent thing to do.

Luiget came in and played about 10 percent of the snaps - not exactly big numbers and he wasn’t exactly a run stuffer. The entire defense is based upon fitting together and doing your 1 of 11 and sometimes as we saw with Jordan Phillips - he freelanced a bit leaving gaps in the defense. Getting a guy and saying plug these 2 holes - just does not cut it. It is understanding what your role is and how to handle your responsibilities to allow another to get to their responsibilities. It worked fine as they all got more familiar with each other.

I will wait for an action replay, but I don’t think that is the safety. I think that was the DB that had him in man coverage and that is the reason he is running already like that. I think he was following the motion and is just way behind the action. That was the speed of that play. The DB covering McKittrick is already 1/3 of the field behind him at that point.

I believe that he is referring to the block right above the 1 in 4th and 1 that sealed the edge (corner). It was a block to prevent him forcing the run back or wide - although with the speed - it was totally irrelevant. you can clearly see the Corner is unblocked and 2 yards off the ball, but already late in reacting.

I get it, but this is not the week for this. The run defense was fine today - held Jacobs to very pedestrian numbers. They seem to be more interested in allowing the defense to work it out.

Yep and the Ref was in a terrible position because he was trying to avoid getting run over - so he is outside and back by the 4 yard line and moving backwards - with no view of the ball. Normally he would get help from another ref on the team, but these guys are not groups that work together - so he was left alone to make a decision. I understand what he saw - and I think his poor positioning made it hard to determine the goal line and the possession point, but that is where replay should logically help, but the new rules for this year - the need for absolute proof makes it tough. The off season changes to replay now make it way harder to overturn calls because logic isn’t used in making the play.

The toe tap catch in the end zone would be incomplete if they ruled that after the toe tap as he is falling to the ground he bobbled the ball and then after regaining possession his feet were not in the end zone - which is essentially what happened on the Will Fuller TD at the end of the Houston game. Will got both feet down in the end zone and as he fell to the ground with control - the ball hit the ground and moved (showing he had “lost” complete control) and therefore it was incomplete. No go back to the Brown TD. The ref ruled that he bobbled the ball and regained full control with a knee down in bounds, but the full control was not deemed to have occurred until the ball was just outside the goal line. It think it is total BS as it is clear he has control and the ball has broken the plane. The problem is that they have now screwed up replay so bad because they are no longer using logic - they are looking for absolute unquestionably proof - which is a big burden. Logically - he catches the ball and controls it easily while still across the line, but the burden of proof is at what exact moment does he possess it. That is difficult and although it seems logical to me that possession was obtained with the ball across the goal line - they ruled that since from every view it is impossible to determine the exact possession point - they stay with the call on the field. It was the same twisted lack of logic on the Int review. The refs determined that Kroft did not have full control and therefore even though he is on the ground with the ball as it bobbles slightly it is still free. I do not know how they determined the DB had possession, but because they did and they ruled he never had full possession - it became impossible to overturn. There was no logic used that Kroft caught the and landed on the ground while being touched and therefore the play was over because the on field refs thought there was movement (and there was slight movement) and they made an illogical call. Then you get the illogical call in the Dolphins game where there was the long catch on Tre’ down to the 1 yard line where the receiver lunges fo the ball gets 2 feet down as he is falling out of bounds and when the ball hits the ground it bounces away - logically it should have been incomplete, but the Refs ruled he had possession 2 feet and a football move tucking the ball and therefore at that moment it was a completed pass and therefore he did not have to maintain control to the ground. There is no logic and the words used matter because that dictates the burden of proof - using things like a football move makes it a catch at that point, or possession was not stablished makes it a different burden of proof. The issue I have is there is no logic used - replays are just a mess as seen by the number of disagreements between th over the air refs and the replay team.

I think Philly really suffers from the loss of Defillipo and Reich - more than anything. They have become stale and then injuries to the WR position and the Oline have hurt also.

Doesn’t matter - they can challenge (just as McDermott did) at the start of the 4th as long as no plays have been done. Should of been a TD. Bizarre ruling on the field and then a total lack of common sense by replay once again this week. At the end of the half (within 2 minutes) there are no challenges - all challenges are initiated by the upstairs ref. Does not have any impact.

That would be true down 15 or 16 - why go for 2 when only down by 14. In the final standings - both teams still lost. Jags by 8 and Detroit by 6. Both still needed another TD.

Commentators were right - down 14 makes no sense. Eight points leaves it as 6 - a FG still makes it a two score game. Take the point and then you still have to score again. You want to win go for 2 at the end. The 2 points just does not help enough to make the risk. Also fix the title and the initial post so that people can read it please.

I don’t really care - just want the Pats to stack some losses for the division title.

The NFL did foresee this - they have plans in place - including moving the Super Bowl back if needed - the plan starts with trying to cover the games as schedules as much as possible. They will adjust as needed.

Why does this keep getting stated. The NFL wanted to bubble - the NFLPA refused to bubble for the season - it was to long and players from the NHL and NBA complained about it and the NFLPA was not going to deal with it. The NFL will handle each situation and have contingency plans if needed. I actually feel better about them finishing than I did before.

McDermott talked about that on WGR. The Protocol on trips is pretty defined. The flight lands - players go to the hotel and are bubbled - they are not allowed to leave the hotel until they travel to the game. I think most teams are following protocol pretty intensely. McDermott said it is actually easier on the road as players are more used to that when teams travel. There are more freedoms at home.

Totally disagree - why do you assume they don’t have plans? They talked prior to the season that they have flexibility- including adjusting the Super Bowl. Just because they have not announced all of their plans to you - does not mean they do not have plans. Jerry Jones talked on air last week about fining teams and taking draft picks and that prior to the season the owners had discussed multiple scenarios, but they were not baking them in automatically- the plan was to try and keep it is normal as possible and adjust as needed.