Rochesterfan

If they don’t take Lawerence and try to trade Darnold - the GM should be fired and I think Douglas is pretty smart. It has nothing to do with production, but contract. If they keep Darnold - they have to pay a true QB salary upper 20 - 35 million per season. With Lawerence you reset the contract to rookie base and have 4 years to build with that rookie deal.

I also think Miami is a really bad match-up for Wallace because of Fitz. I like Wallace when then can run a lot of zone and help with coverage. Typically that zone package protects Wallace and lets him play. The difficulty with Miami is they do not fool Fitz - so if he reads Zone - he works the middle of the field and you see guys like Marlowe and Johnson getting beat - especially this week. If they bail and run man coverage - then Fitz targets the outside guys - Wallace more than Tre’, but both got beat a few times. The Bills even tried a few different rotation coverages - like Wallace and Tre covering the TE and both got burned on that package. Without Milano and Edmunds in the middle - the Bills struggled to control that area and Fitz just is not afraid to throw against this defense. It puts immense pressure because they could not help out like normal.

I want to give a big shout out to our trainers, coaches, and players for really buying into a process to stay healthy and hydrated. The heat and humidity early in the season usually leads to cramps and muscle issues. The fact that the Bills players rotated like they did without drop off and I did not see really any major cramps or other injuries. It is a huge sign of how good these guys are and how much they use analytics to keep guys healthy.

At one point with the ball at 7 yards - the Falcons had like 3-4 guys to the one Giant and needed to go get it. No good excuse not to try. I do remember doing a bunch of fumble drills as a player and coach - and one of the hardest things to do is cover a ball rolling on the ground - without having it squirt free or slide away. The falcons still had to try - they also could have worked to box the Cowboy player out, but they all just stood there looking at it. It was literally about the worst effort and planning I have ever seen out of a team - especially in a crucial point like that.

No the return team can recover it at any point. That was a terrible job by Atlanta. Once Atlanta touches the ball, then Dallas can recover it even if it does not travel 10 yards. My only thought is the Atlanta players did not think it was going to make it 10 yards and therefore decided to back away at first, but to not go and get it at about 8 yards was terrible.

It was so weird - they said he was hurt during the week, but was expected to play. The announced fairly quickly that he was not playing at all and had been ruled out. Not sure I have seen anything else like this before.

It looked like they were rotating guys all day. Lots of heat and humidity. Not sure he was benched - I think he was out and then went in for Spain on the next drive to give him a breather. Lets hold the hot takes.

I think him traveling is important as it gives him more time to work with Dodson on film study and calling some defenses. I also think that maybe missing a game, but having to work closely with Dodson to get ready and describe what you are seeing and why to get into a specific defense - may in the long run help Edmunds a bit more. Sometimes having to talk through it helps solidify things and compartmentalize them in your mind.

The Bills currently run a ton of 4-2-5 - Nickle looks as it is. My guess is that they run a bunch of 4-1-6 Nickle/Dime looks using Marlowe and Neal in the Milano role to cover the TE/RBs. They will most likely rotate Klein and Dodson as the single backer depending on down and distance. I also expect to see some 5-1-5 personnel on early downs, but using Addison or Hughes as a OLB to give some size and stoutness to prevent runs and using them and/or Dodson on Blitzes to get some pressure on Fitz. I expect from the All-22 the overall Scheme will run similar to their standard Nickle package just using 1 LB and filling that second role with either a smaller faster DB for coverage or a larger DE for run stuffing and blitzes. I also expect them to try and use some standard 4-3 looks, but again using just Dodson and Klein (both with positional flexibility (MLB/OLB) to dictate the Dolphins strong and passing sides. They will fill the 3rd position with an extra coverage safety to again help get through the game.

Nope he has been a FA since the original cutdown. He is another good depth signing and you bring him in and let another lineman go that will not get picked up - so you have a bit of flexibility. My fear is our Bench and PS now has 2/5 of the Jets terrible line from last year, but depth and backup is where they belong.

Not going to complain as Joe is just doing his job. The Athletic has a journalist doing it for each team and it has a lead guy and some others that help. My guess is Joe gets some help from Matthew Fairburn as they tend do work together on other things. I take it as one opinion and like to read it and match it with other sources like cover one or Yards Per Pass. He has no additional qualifications and is really just using his own subjective ideas and goes so far as to state - “I don’t know the play calls or each players assignments” - I am judging based upon what I see. He knows that sometimes the line is supposed to slide and if everyone but the tackle slides and it leaves an opening where the guard gets beat - he will dock the guard - when it was really the tackle. He admits there are things he misses and when he and Matthew Fairburn do their Podcast - they sometimes get into that. It is also hard because they are trying to objectively grade nearly everyone that plays more than mop up plays and sometimes that impacts the grades as guys may only be n a percentage of snaps. I look at his grading more week to week than the individual grade as he should be grading fairly consistently over time.

Do you understand why it was not able to be reviewed - right. The kick was higher than the upright and therefore there is not a good and acceptable angle to see if it is good or not. You need 2 points of reference- was it between the uprights and when did it cross the end line. Not allowing them to review is just saving them a timeout because it is inconclusive.

Yep and there is talk with Roberts out - they may move Van Noy to MLB for the week (1st time in his career) to try and spy and have someone making calls with familiarity. I think it may work to free up the edges a bit more.

Most Likely the same kick - the car is between the uprights and can be seen from a distance, the red is a Toyota sign that was outside the uprights on both the left and right. The difference is the amount of zoom and the camera angle - which is why neither picture really tells you anything - along with the fact the ball is still short of the end line - most likely. This is exactly what I said - they should fix it for the game. Your argument about bettors should not matter. If they want to make it right for the game - great, but don’t do it because some people lose money and some people win.

Why - They are not getting the money. You are choosing to bet on their product. You know the rules - this can happen at any time. A pass interference call allowing a late field goal. A missed field goal. A team driving and then scoring or kneeling. There are a million ways that people make or miss a prop bet. To be ticked because a third quarter kick was missed and blaming that on you missing your bet is just stupid. We have no idea how the game plays out - from that point forward everything else would be different. You make the bet - the NFL does not need to provide you anything else. They play the game - the technology they use should be for them and the teams. If it helps bettors great, but that should not be even a tiny piece of the though process. People have bet on the game before technology, replay, and widespread television rights. The outcome is the outcome. If they want to fix this because it is in the best interest of the game great. If you are suggesting they should fix it for gambling - I could not care less. It is called gambling - people win and people lose and life goes on. I am sorry if you lost money on a kick that was wide and was called no good - sounds to me like the bookies had the over/under set right and you were on the wrong side. If I was you - I would be more upset at the Jets late meaningless TD which for many people put the game into an over at 40 which was the suggested Over/under on many sites. Maybe if you had it higher - you should be ticked about your sports book as the numbers change and find one that improves your odds. Overall - I guess I would say I have no feelings at all for bettors - it is gambling and you win some and you lose some. Get over it or stop betting.

In neither shot has the ball crossed the end line correct - by the top one the ball is already right in line with upright and it looks like it still has a bit of distance to get to the upright. Now picture a guy standing behind and looking up - take each shot maybe 2 or 3 more frames to get it to the end line and past the upright into the vision of the Ref. Is it any wonder why it was called no good? Imagine the top picture if the post is extended up 5-10 feet - it is doinking right into the post and most likely bouncing out. I mean in the minor distance between the bottom shot and the top shot (which seems a bit closer) it appears the ball moved a full football or more to the right. Take that one or two more frames and it is on the outside as it is moving more to the right than it is forward at that point. This movement is further shown by the fact in the slow motion replay - the ball hit the netting after traveling 4/5 of the way across the Toyota sign that you can barely see in the bottom frame. By all means though - if it makes you feel better the NFL screwed us out of 3 points in a blow out for no apparent reason. I tend to believe since the best shots we have are of these long angle replays that are totally inconclusive because we do not have the required reference point of the end line - that perhaps the Referee doing his job and in the proper position to actually judge it - called it as he saw it from right below and behind the upright. It was not blown, it was not a screw job. It was a kick that was a hairs breath either of being good or wide right and if the kick had been a few feet lower or the posts a few feet higher - we would have conclusive evidence, but since it isn’t - the call on the field stands.

Not saying they are better - saying I think both guys are better against the run than the pass and with the injured WR - I think the Bills can use them to slow down the run and allow Marlowe and Neal to play against the pass.

I am in a different place on this. I love Milano and Edmunds, but my fear of Miami was them trying to run it down our throat - ala how NE does some times - especially with the injuries at WR. I think Dodson and Klein may end up being better run fit stoppers and therefore give some size and power to stop that and when the Dolphins have to pass - we will bring in Marlowe or Neal to better cover and go very small. We all know Fitz has an ability to be God or God Da.. bad - so I am hoping we can bottle up the run and get Fitztragic passing and be alright.

Wow - you are putting $25 on the game - man that is brave. Sorry - 😂

I honestly believe - much like Beane here - he did not want to spend huge money or long term commitments until he figures out which players are his future and which players need to go. He did not sign big name free agents and many guys shunned them - although he did try to resign Robby Anderson until he decide to go back to his college coach.. I think this year is really about learning the guys and drafting a specific breed of players. What is difficult at least in my eye - is that it might mean collateral damage to the QB they just drafted #3 overall. They have wasted his first 2 years and it looks like year 3 is even worse - so it makes no sense to give him big money - you need to win on a rookie contract. I would look at them looking for a new QB next year and trying to get picks for Sam and using next year as the baseline/starting point for the rebuild. My hope is that since JD is not in charge of the coaching staff - that the owners decide that Gase is the guy to lead the team a few more years and maybe they can screw up another drafted QB because my fear is they pair JD with a good coach and the Jets end up with their version of McDermott and Beane.

You do understand the purpose of the All-22 right. They cut every play and put it different files for the teams to review. Every play is cut into files for game time, down and distance, and formation. All the special teams plays get put into different files for review: kick-offs, punts, FGs and Xtra points. These all get cut and processed and back quickly to the teams. Later they work to piece back together the plays - usually in order, but not always - sometimes someone grabs the wrong file and puts a play or two out of order - as was stated many times it is special teams plays (kicks) that get spliced back in at the wrong point. This film is for the consumers and is pretty useless for the coaches. I would love to see the crossbar cam, but my guess is on shorter kicks they do not use the cross bar cam on the near end zone because the ball moves up and around to fast and the image from that cam would be blurry and very jerky if it catches the ball at all. They use it for longer kicks where it has time to identify the ball in flight and adjust to the trajectory. Short kicks like that it would be nearly impossible to see from that camera.

Man - so CBS showed the inconclusive replay and had the rules expert come on and say maybe it was good, but you can’t tell because it was higher than the upright and you do not know at what point it crossed the end line - which is exactly why it is non-reviewable. Of course McDermott was mad from his sideline view and the angle - it did probably look good, but so far there has been nothing to prove that. Then you basically state that it was good because the NFL was hiding the All-22 - which turns out to be totally incorrect. Then when the All-22 doesn’t show it as good - you state that there was editing issues (not really true) and that for all you know there is a definitive view, but the NFL doesn’t want to show it. I will once again ask why - the NFL routinely admits mistakes - even ones that cost points and on occasions have had an impact on the final outcome - so why would they care about an inconsequential Field goal. I take it further - if there was a better shot - why did CBS not show it - they had no problems questioning the call on the field - to the point of bringing in the rules expert. They showed the 2 angles they seemed to have and as was stated it was inconclusive and appeared to be higher than the upright - so it is not challengable. If they had a better shot - they had no reason to hide it. The truth is - there does not appear to be any shots that show the kick being good. The timing makes it seem very likely the ball was directly over the top of the crossbar and the referee looking up determined it was not good. Some of that could be placement and timing - as was discussed in the slow motion replay - it looks like just as it is reaching the upright it is maybe right in line a touch inside and by the time it clears the upright with the right drift - the ball is mostly on the outside of the upright. The Referees stand under and behind the post looking up - which you can see him doing as he waves it no good. That extra little bit may have moved it from inside to outside, but I don’t think it was obvious. My belief is (as I have said) most likely the ball hits the upright if it is extended and either goes through or is bounced straight back, but it is to high and therefore this is unknown. What I do know is it has been now proven that the NFL did not “hide” the All-22 to prove they were right. The NFL is not trying to screw with us o steal away 3 points in a meaningless part of the game. Additionally in case it crosses your mind - the NFL did not keep fans out of the game so they could purposefully hide a made FG and call it no good. I hope someone can find something and prove it was good - I like Bass and think it would be great to give him a small boost, but it seems funny to me that by Friday afternoon with additional replays and the game available on Game Center for a 30 minute watch - no one has anything better than an opinion or a guess.

So @Doc and @NewEra does this change you mind at all. Verona was incorrect - the kick is included, but as I said it is not unusual for these to be out of order because of how the film is cut for distribution. The All-22 is specifically designed for coaches - not to watch the game in order of plays. They pull all kicks, punts, FGs, extra points - into a separate file for the special teams coach review. After getting the film out to the coaches in a broken up format - they try to piece it back for our consumption. In many cases that means they occasionally put plays in the wrong order. Additionally - as I stated earlier - the All-22 does not show anything on whether the kick is good or not because that is not what the film is for - so having the All-22 does nothing to prove or disprove the point and it sure does not seem to be an NFL conspiracy against the Bills.

Agreed and he is positioned under and just behind - so again - I am sure it was close and you are seeing it at the last possible frame rather than the first frames.

The ball disappears at the 8 second mark because it goes into the red of the Toyota sign. At the very end of the 8 seconds mark - you see the ball reappear 3/4 of the way across the Toyota sign past the middle of the Toyota logo in white you see the ball hit and begin to drop - so that is when I assume it is hitting the net. My issue with the logic is we do not know how far to the right that is as there is no measurement, but using the Car as a guide - I would have to estimate almost 5-6 feet or more (maybe 2 yards to the right). What is the depth of the netting at that point? Maybe 8-10 feet (so 3 yards?)? What is the angle that the ball is traveling at to calculate the distance and the angle and the speed so that you can actually triangulate the spot. As I said - it looks to me on that slow motion replay the ball is right over the upright - And I know I can not calculate the point of cross over without some basic info that I just don’t have. What we do know is that at whatever point it hit the net it was well outside and to the right. It is also hard because if you look at that goalpost - it appears to be leaning to the right as it does not follow the path up like the left goal post and it does not look straight. What I do not have is exactly how far outside nor the distance from the end line to the net. Those we can only guess at. The NFL has the means to fix this and least most of the time - if they want to.