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Totally agree, but none of that was made available and I would assume if CBS had that camera angle that showed something they would have played it. They were not shy about questioning the kick - showed multiple shots of the replay and even brought in their rules expert - so if they had a better shot I would believe they would have showed it. The rules expert stated that it looked like it could be good, but there was nothing showing the exact moment it crossed the goal line - so they could not be sure. this was also the emphasis for the rule change that went into effect years ago that the ball crossing the goal line had to be between the pylons. If you remember years and years ago - the goal line used to be considered infinite around the world and guys could run and dive and land 4-5 yards out of bound and get credit for the TD. They changed that because it is so hard beyond the field of play to get a definitive shot. I believe because the review is based upon the video that the broadcast team has and can put together and show. I don’t think the broadcast has access to the All-22 as it is shot for coaching. If the broadcast was controlling that camera - it could be used and I wished it would as it shows so much. As to why it is missing - I am not going to speculate- they obviously spend a huge amount of time cutting and piecing together the film for the coaches and fans. Was it a legitimate mistake of was it done on purpose - that is for others to argue - right now it just is not available.

Yes for afterwards, but they do not use the all 22 in game as those are shot for the teams. I would love to see the All -22 of this kick, but unfortunately it was not included.

I believe they do not allow review when the kick is above the top of the uprights because of exactly the issue we see in the game footage that is provided. When the kick is above the top of the reference point - you are now bringing in subjective decisions and angles into the decision. Therefore they would not have a definitive shot most of the time meaning they would stay with the call on the field. We are all still sitting here and have not seen one shot stopped at the exact moment the ball is passing the goal line that shows it was in between the 2 uprights. We have seen several slow motion replays of the kick and had a guy say he triangulated things - which I believe is Bull because unlike a simple action with the ball traveling in a straight direction - what ever triangulation has to take into account the wind speed and its impact on the forward and sidewards momentum of the ball to determine the exact moment the ball crossed the plane. Nowhere have I seen the ball speed and the changing speed based upon the wind - which would suggest to me - if someone tried to triangulate based upon the speed of the kick while it is the field of play - they will misjudge the timing and the distance. My guess based upon what we have seen is that for a small market broadcast there was most likely only 1 or 2 broadcast angles as the booths begin moving and positioning cameras for the kick-off. I agree this should be a fairly easy fix with cameras - extended the posts with different material - some type of laser grid - or any number of other ideas, but they are not in place so unfortunately the best viewpoint is that of the refs right under the goal post.

you really can’t tell at what point it gets to the upright. It looks like it sails right over the upright to me.

Yes it was. As was the one on the earlier play were the Jet defender dove and took out the back of Josh’s leg after the throw.

Cody Ford is the most immediate based on Play in game 1, but I think AJ got way to much heat for being a scratch. The biggest whipping boy over all though is Daboll as before we even hit game 1 there was threads about him being on the hot seat.

Yep - unless someone sticks an arm out or a butterfly sails by and Yeldon gets tripped up.

I will add - the gameplan was designed to specifically attack the Jets defensive weaknesses and not necessarily the Bills O-line strengths. The gameplan called for attacking the Jets secondary and using both RPO options and QB run options in the run game because the Jets D struggled against that. Those plays along with the Jet sweeps (count as passes) accounted for the majority of the rushing yards. They are also slower developing plays were the O-Line does not fire out and attack the defensive line, but takes them where they are going and allows the QB to read and react - not attack. I think the strength of Ford and Williams will be in straight 1:1 blocking/Mauling, but that also plays into the strength of the Jets defense. I want to see what this line can do against a different defensive gameplan and maybe one they can attack with the strength of the line. I anticipate Moss having some nice runs up the middle as the Dolphins have to figure out how to stop both the running attack of the RBs and the QB. They did a poor job against NE and I think the Bills will exploit many of the same things we saw NE do. The biggest difference is I think Allen trusts his WR and TEs more than Cam did and therefore I think they can also get yardage in the passing game if Miami stacks the box more in this game. I think just like last year - there will be weeks where the o-line looks dominate and weeks where they look like they can not get a push at all. It will be specific to teams and gameplans because that is how this OC works. He is not going to take and stick to our strengths - he is designing gameplans to exploit weaknesses and that is new for us as fans and can sometimes be frustrating.

Sorry - updated the title to reflect OSU - quite the Honor to be the first.

I do not want him routinely sliding at all. Typically the defensive guys that are running full bore at the QB end up hitting the sliding QB in the head. Murray took his 2 biggest hits to his head and shoulders on plays he slide. A guy like Josh (see Alex Smith and Joe Flacco slides) opens himself up to massive hits to the head when the try to slide. The bigger mobile QBs tend not to get down as fast and the defensive players are taking a shot anyway. I don’t mind getting out of bounds, but even then Josh has taken a few big shots because he just doesn’t make it there fast enough and gets turned around and shoved down.

I did not see this anywhere and just wanted to say Congrats to a great Buffalo Bill. Another nice honor for a deserving player!

I agree with leaving them - want to see them against some different competition. Also not to give excuses, but Ford in his first game had a lot of action against #3 pick Q. Williams. He is a big strong pick that is pretty good in the run game. Daryl Williams was going against a bunch of mush of the DEs on the Jets. I will give him a few games against maybe some lesser run stuffers to see if he can improve.

He helped bring in Joe Douglas as GM (who I happen to think is pretty good) - so I am praying these 2 are tied together at least 2 more years. I then hope they decide to start over with new Coach and GM (or keep the 2 together longer).

The exact same as when he ruptures his ACL because of the hit he got in the pocket by the Jets player.

No longer uncharacteristic - he threw a bunch last year. He did struggle in year 1, but by last year he hit a bunch of touch passes - to the point that he lost his touch on deep passes because he worked so hard on the touch type passes. This was old news and it was a great pass to Diggs.

They might have the capital, but unless the #1 pick is Miami (and they assume Tua is their future) - why would anyone trade essentially Lawrence for lesser picks? Every other team that hits #1 would be because they need a franchise QB and Lawrence has been hyped as that for the last 2 years. I can’t imagine the fan base and GM that passes on that for a couple of other picks.

Wait so in statement #1 are you implying the the kick was low enough and went between the goalposts and the refs missed it? The kick was definitely higher than the goalposts and therefore clearly over the uprights - which is the phrasing for a kick that is higher than the top of the goalposts. I do not understand you angle point - as literally standing under the goalpost and looking up is the only vantage point to be able to judge that. Any other spot on the field and you have to deal with angles to try and decide. The ref looking straight up is equivalent to putting the laser/camera on the top or trying to extend the posts 10 more feet up, but without dealing with sway of the post. I will not say the ref did not miss it - since we have seen it before, but literally there was only 1 person that should of had the perfect angle to see the ball right as it got to the goal post and that was the ref that called it no good. Everything else as both the announcer and the booth ref said were speculation because we can not tell the exact moment it got to the end line. It does not mean that the ref did not blow the call as that happens and it does not mean the NFL cannot do better on this, but I have not seen one shot that shows the kick was good. I have seen a lot of shots showing that at a point around the post it was good and at some point right around there it starts to veer right very quickly. The issue is at the exact point it crosses the goal line we can not tell from any of the camera angles I have seen.

To be fair - they say he only got tackled once. Did you even watch the game? Murray took at least 3 big shots as he slid. Twice the 49ers were called for roughing and they let the third go. Two of the three times he get hit in the head and neck area - which is how both Flacco and Alex Smith got knocked out for multiple games with concussions. The third hit was when Murray did not really slide - he slipped and fell sideways and got smacked and for some reason they flagged the 49ers and both the announcers and the booth Ref said it was a legal hit. The point is Murray took as many shots as Allen and when he slides - you see his baseball background because he gets down quick, but it exposes his head to shots. I think sliding for Allen would actually expose him to more big hits especially to his head, neck, and shoulder regions. This is especially true if he tries to get down late with guys barring down on him. I want to see him slide when he has room and has the first down, but I also do not want to see him go Kyle Orton and slide just to avoid hits and not get a first down that could lead to a win. I want him to play his game - not what Penfield45 thinks is best. Plus I think you should really fix your title which is a complete lie. He got tackled once. He took many more hits on his runs. You totally changed what actually happened and it is wrong.

Not sure I understand some of this. The kick was most definitely higher than the top of the goal posts (above the uprights as they say). The question is where in regards to the goalpost was the ball as it crossed the goalpost and how is the rule written. Sal thought if any part of the ball was above the post - the kick was considered good and therefore he thought it was good, but he was not sure of the exact wording - which totally matters in a case like this. Second this is not the first time this has been an issue- as last year there was a kick where the far side judge ruled it no good and the judge under the goalpost ruled it good - after discussion they decided it was good - so this does need to be addressed. What I can not tell and what I have to trust the judge is the position of the ball at the moment it crosses the end line. The best person to judge that should be the guy standing right under goalpost and looking straight up. The easiest fix would be cameras on the top of the goalpost, but I would worry about wind and the effects on the goal post creating weird angles. We will have to see.

Yes - actually both of the hits he took in the pocket were called roughing the passer - one was a hit to the head after he threw the ball and the other was the Jets player diving from behind and taking out his right knee and ankle.

Maybe, but at least a few of the injuries from running were the result of a QB getting lit up during the slide. Without seeing all of the data - it is hard to know, but Murray got smacked harder several of the times he “Slid” both resulting in roughing calls rather than the times he stayed up and avoided the big contact. We have seen several concussions result from QBs sliding and bringing their head right into alignment with the diving Defensive player - Smith, Flacco, etc.

Agree 100% - the only running yards we really got early in the game were off Zone reads and designed QB runs. They were not allowing the Bills any gains with the RBs. Additionally the 2 worst hits Josh took in the game - were times he was in the pocket. Sal brought this up several times yesterday - all of the recent studies of NFL QB injuries - consistently show QBs are much more likely to get injured throwing the ball rather than runnIng with it. It doesn’t mean it can’t happen - the likelihood just is higher in the pocket - just like in his rookie year when Josh got hurt throwing - not running.

We sort of saw it last year when the 1st game against the Jets - the Bills threw on 12+ straight plays to start the game. The difference is the “horses” as @GG stated. We can now run 4 legit WRs and even 5WRs or 4 with Singletary out wide also. Nice to have a few pieces.

Or maybe we just realize with the wild preseason - maybe the timing is just a bit off and we give the kid a chance to develop. Every game (except GB/Minn) featured at least one missed FG or XP and my guess is that most of these guys needed a few more pressure kicks in the pre-season with real rushes to get the timing just right. It was not just a Rookie/Young player thing (although several younger kickers missed kicks) it was veteran kickers too - like in Tennessee last evening missing 3/4 and an XP. I don’t know how things will go as we move forward, but before I move this kid into the annuals of history - I want to be sure he is not going to be the next Gary Andersen or Hopkins that we lose out on for 15 years for 1 year of service by someone else. In reality with a lack of preseason games - special teams was by far the most impacted group as it is nearly impossible to run a ton of full out kick-off and punt coverage/returns since the units share a lot of people. FGs and XPs are a bit easier to do, but still lack the pressure, rush, and adrenaline of a real game and therefore it is hard to mirror everything. This is why at most positions on kicks and punts - I believe the Bills greatly outshined the Jets. It is a big part of the coaching plans and we had a ton of experience in coverage and returns. The opposite happened at kicking FGs as we had no experience. I will give him time as teams will be switching out kickers left and right. If it continues- of course you change him out, but I want to see mor than 1 week of results.

This can’t be - I read that Daboll is on the hot seat - how could he actually gameplan based upon what other teams struggled against. I mean it is not like the Bills recognized the weakness and opened last season against the Jets with a ton of passes and repeated that along with zone reads - where we got the majority of our rushing yards. I simply can not believe that.