yungmack

That was Ralph's choice. Then he tried to stiff him.

No. He's EJ without the upside.

See, now, this sort of thing just isn't going to fly around here. You're raising issues of fact and reality whereas the current solution to everything is "burn the whole thing down." Waste no critical brain power on considering what comes after "the bonfire," just do it. Because apparently there are tons of football executives, GMs, heads of scouting, coaches and "franchise" QBs just languishing out there, unhired in spite of their presumed genius and talent, all of whom are just dying to come to Buffalo if only someone would just do the right thing and get rid of every player and everyone else at OBD.

Exactly. Boom!

Poor coaching decision. Should have had Gillislee out there. Bill, I addressed your two false assumptions in yet another thread where you also claim Whaley has "wasted" hundreds of millions of dollars, and has traded away oodles of top picks. Neither is true. It appears that the new era of "make stuff up and pretend it's true" has migrated from the political arena to even here.

"Hundreds of millions of dollars" and "many of his best draft picks"? I generally respect your comments but this one is a wee bit, um, over the top. The only trade I recall that's at all controversial is Sammy which is offset by the EJ trade down that got us Kiko which got us Shady, and by the Hughes trade. And to get to "wasting" hundreds of millions of dollars, you'd have to be including pretty much every player's contract since Whaley took the job. As I say, a wee bit over the top.

The comments here are proof positive that none of us will ever be offered a GM job.

You are assuming they would even consider signing on with this Titanic wreck.

You can say this a 100 times & it still won't make sense.

What are you talking about? He barely had time to learn Marrone's name before he was gone, and now he's with Rex. That's a total of two HCs. And he supported both by bringing in their coaches, their pet players, and the kinds of players both claimed they needed to "make it work." Seems like he did everything he could to support them. That the outcome was mediocrity says more about Marrone and Ryano than Whaley.

Hughes and Lorax seem to have disappeared with the return of Dareus and Lawson. No idea what that has to do with anything but it's interesting.

What in the world would make anyone think that all of a sudden the Bills are going to become this juggernaut, this exemplar of steadiness, this "complete" team, whose QB is overnight going to turn into "the Franchise." Just remember this: It's December, the Bills will be playing the Steelers and Browns. History, anyone?

You want to compound the mess that's the Bills? Draft Chad Kelly.

I'm for Keith Richards.

You forget how unattractive the job was at that time. They couldn't even get top coaching candidates to schedule an interview. I believe Marrone was seen as an outside the box solution. And he was considered something of a rising star at the time. In retrospect, he seems to have seen the job as a stepping stone to a better job. To all those around here that think the Bills should just go out and hire the top people have to ask themselves why any of them would want to come to this franchise. While you're there, pick up one of those elite football czars who are clogging the shelves.

We'll see, won't we. And, yes, the Raiders are probably a better team. But last Sunday, the Bills had 'em...until they fell apart. That, and not that the Raiders are better, is what's the punch in the gut. And it seems the players have been knocked sideways by the experience which is why dropping the next 4 is far from impossible.

It matches what my eyes saw. My opinion going in is that the Bills had a real chance to win this one, and that was reinforced in the first half. It was also my opinion that TT was good enough to be our QB but that one has taken a ferocious beating. That Oakland was 9-2 is irrelevant; what counts is the second half collapse by the Bills combined with the complete failure of the coaching staff to remedy the situation. Which is why the Raiders are now 10-2 and the Bills are likely in free fall. The first half demonstrated that we had the players to win this game; the second half showed we don't have the coaches to make that happen.

And that includes the coaches. Did they make any adjustments at all? They seemed as stunned as the players, standing on the sidelines and watching the implosion like they were ticket-holding spectators. Maybe I missed them actually doing something but it appeared the whole crew was MIA in the second half.

It isn't all about the QB but that's the Number One priority. After that, a QB needs a strong running game, a good to great line and receivers. And a coaching staff that knows what it's doing and builds around the QBs strengths. Without those other elements, you wind up with David Carr, Andrew Luck (and maybe Carson Wentz), good to great talent wasted because the rest of the formula isn't there. With those other elements, a low draft pick such as a Dak Prescott, a Derek Carr and, yes, a Tom Brady can step in and flourish. I wonder if we'd ever have heard about Brady if he'd wound up on a perennial loser.

My guess is that the decision to part ways with El Rexito has already been made. He's a Dead Coach Walking.

The odds of the Bills winning this game is not zero. But it's close. Winning another game this year is seeming highly improbable. I wouldn't be surprised if they lost to the Browns at this point.

Major, I'm demoting you to 2nd Lieutenant for whiffing on this. The reason they gave him a new contract was because they feared TT would have such a hell of a second year that they would have to pay him a king's ransom for a long term deal. But because of lessons learned with Fitz and others, they hedged their bet by giving themselves an easy out in case he didn't have a great second year. Because the second scenario has come to pass, all they need do is release him.

Are you sure the problem is the organization? Could it be that the problem is much narrower than that, i.e., an incompetent HC? If it's the latter, then why would you clean house top to bottom?

How exactly is Brandon the core of the problem? Seriously. He runs the business side of things, not the football side. How would replacing him improve the Bills football fortunes? If the problem is Whaley (which it's not), he can suggest firing him, but that is really a decision for the Pegulas. If the problem is Rex (which it is), that again is up to the Pegulas, probably with the input of Brandon and Whaley. Getting rid of Brandon accomplishes precisely nothing in regards to the actual quality of football played by the Bills. It would be like firing the busboy in a restaurant because the chef sucks.

Today's article in the BN is dead-on accurate as far as I'm concerned. As it's from Vic Carucci, it carries a whole lot more weight than the always-negative dreck from Sullivan or Gleason. For that reason, I suspect it is read and taken seriously in the FO. http://buffalonews.com/2016/12/06/vic-caruccis-bills-wake-call-crisis-alarms-sound-will-anyone-listen/