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Zay Jones is still worth keeping as I have seen a little improvement since he started, but the rest can go for all I care. There have been other recent bad receiving corps, but those at least had Lee Evans or Stevie Johnson as a semi decent #1. Benjamin is a complete joke this year. Problem is, WR is one of the hardest positions to walk right into and be ready to contribute five days after being signed by a team. I am on board with cutting the dead weight and trying other options out, but it may take a few weeks for them to fully adjust.

Allen was a raw prospect. Every scouting report univerisally said that this was not a player that should be a short term option and that he would need time. He has actually progressed more than many thought so far. Today was bad, but he did not have any help from his line or wide receivers. That being said he was bad too, but I'm not going to give up on him after one game. My biggest worry is that this regime planned poorly for this. They gave him no help at line, or wide receiver or a reliable veteran QB to keep the helm until Allen was ready. I hope that Allen can stay strong and make it through this year.

I like much of what this organization is doing, but what has happened on wide receivers makes no sense. Benjamin could still turn out OK if he stops dropping passes, but it pains me to regularly see four receivers (Watkins, Woods, Goodwin and Hogan) that were once Bills produce every week and know that they would likely be a better #1 at this point than Benjamin. It's ok not to retain people if the price isn't right, and at the time, cases could have been stated for not retaining the four that I mentioned. However, if you get rid of people, you have to replace them with something better or at least comparable. As of now, Buffalo has failed to do that by a long shot.

Good call, and a brave one. I felt like the game would be closer than the first two but thought that Buffalo had no chance to win this. I was proven wrong. We needed this win because it doesn't get easier for while. Packers and next and playing in Green Bay is tough even for an established team so a loss is likely there. 1-3 is a lot easier to recover from than 0-4

Agreed. He is still a dropoff from wood, but the line was better with him at center than they were with Groy. Whether that can happen over multiple games remains to be seen

Strange that we got rid of our one veteran presence at WR. At least it was done to address the offensive li......oh wait, never mind.

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Peterman may be worse than any QB I remember on the Bills, and that includes Ferragamo and Mathison.

I don't know, but at one point, BBMB had quite the crowd clamoring for him as the must pick for us to draft.

Agreed on Croom. He was off the radar, at least to me before the season, but could be quite a find. Thomas was clearly a project in the beginning, but he has made vast improvements and seems like a likeable person that is easy to get behind.

Not really complaining, but the O'Leary cut was the biggest surprise to me. O'Leary showed flashes in a couple of games last year and I think that he has a career ahead of him somewhere as a second tight end option. However, cuts like that happen on every team every year. If the Bills feel like Croom or Thomas are better fits for the team, I trust them.

McCarron was dreadful for most of yesterday, but I would still trust him over Manuel in a real NFL start. McCarron's experience is limited but he has shown more than EJ has during the few times he has played. EJ often looked good in preseason here. Even in games, he would move the ball a bit and look good for some plays, but then have those awful plays that destroyed any momentum and put the other team in a position to win.

I think we will go 0-16 and never ever win a game again. Seriously though, It was a bad preseason game but it was nothing more than preseason. I didn't get over excited when Buffalo looked good in game one and I am not hitting the panic button now. I thought that this was a seven or eight win team before the season and still think the same now.

There is clearly some type of mental disorder that was being controlled for awhile but for some reason has come back in a very strong way. Whether it is going off meds or coping with losing a parent and his career at once, or a combination of both, he has gone off the rails since earlier in the year. We don't have to like him and he has done some dumb things, his bad choices are his own fault. However as someone who has struggled with mild depression and anxiety for my whole life, I can begin to emphasize a little with the mental aspect of it. For his own sake, and the safety of those around him, I hope that he can get the help he needs before we have another case similar to Justin Strzelczyk or James Hardy.

This is too bad. He would have been a good bridge until Allen was ready. I can't hold his performance against him tonight because that line gave him no chance. I'm not convinced that Allen or Peterman would have done any better behind that line if they were playing.

Might happen now with McCarron hurt. Allen has looked good so far and exceeded my expectations, but still shows just enough inexperience to make me worry if he is thrown in right away.

Nobody likes us in the preseason? No!!!

I was worried on the very first play when McCarron had four people on him within a second of the snap. Fortunately they tightened up from there and overall, both units played pretty well. Gives me hope that those who left in the offseason can be replaced.

Agreed, it was a good deal. It didn't say what they traded for at the time that I posted the message.

I like the move assuming we didn't overpay. We had Benjamin as the only starter caliber receiver and Kerley who was better suited as a 3 or 4. After that, there was too many ifs and and buts at the position. Hopefully Coleman can realize his potential here.

I feel bad, because the poor guy was thrown to the wolves before he was ready against the Chargers. I think that Peterman can be better than that game but still has a ceiling as a backup. Also, the other two options are the top 10 pick and a sought after established backup who wants to prove that he can be a starter. . Take away the bias of that Chargers game, and i still don't see it happening unless someone is injured or he dominates preseason while the others are horrible.

A little too early for both qb's to be having this conversation. No, actually a lot too early. Neither have actually had any preseason experience let alone real NFL experience yet.

I do not remember the 60's 70's and early 80's. I may be missing quite a few. I must go with Maybin too. He was Not a player lacking in talent forced to start, he was not a guy who was derailed by injury, he was just flat out bad. Could not even contribute as a backup or special teamer, terrible attitude. I'm convinced that if he was anything other than a high first round pick that he gets cut in the first season. Honorable mentions go to Justin Rogers-Remember the Jets game where they got like 350 passing yards and 280 of them were on him? The Ferragamo/mathison two headed QB monster of 1985. The first year that I remember watching the Bills. Makes Losman and Edwards look like Montana and Young Troup-This gets much worse when you consider that we could have easily gotten local player turned possibly best TE of all time Rob Gronkowski. TE was a position of need and many were projecting him on the Bills. At least Troup has the excuse of injury unlike Maybin.

Kiper is not the most likeable guy but I do not ever remember him giving Buffalo an A. At least this is another step towards Buffalo slowly gaining national respect again. This more than other years, is way too early to grade. The success on the draft will live or die on the success of Allen. I personally see Allen as boom or bust, either being a perennial pro bowler or a total disappointment, no in between(Bradford, Bortles etc). I like what they did on the rest of the draft. Edmunds and Phillips could add an immediate spark to the defensive front 7. The later picks added competition to positions that needed it and if one of the last five picks can be this years Milano, I consider that a success.

"1. Draft a project QB in the 1st round" 2013, we got rid of our previous starter without a replacement and on draft day had no option at quarterback, this forced us to reach for someone. 2018, we had a veteran backup and draft capital to take a chance on a large prospect. Huge difference Allen has things he needs to work on, but there is a huge difference between Allen and Manuel. Allen was a almost unanimous projection as a top 10 pick, Manuel was a reach that should have been a mid round pick in perhaps the worst year to draft a quarterback in decades. We also have a reliable backup in McCarron. Assuming no assault from a floor mat, the situation of being rushed in before ready is not likely. "2. Doesn't bring in a coach to teach project QB. Our HC has no idea how to develop a QB, our OC doesn't exactly have much experience either, and our QB coach has been a WR coach for the past 10 years. Very concerning." How do you know this? Is this your speculation or are there numbers that back up your opinion that our coach and offensive coordinator wont be able to develop a quarterback? "3. Draft heavy on defense (despite how much better defense was than offense). Whaley did move up for Watkins but he drafted mostly defensive players when Rex came, changed the system and drafted 3-4 players who are all gone now." I wish there was more at wide receiver, but I like the picks for the most part. The defense overachieved last year and needed better players upfront. Edmunds and Phillips can hopefully fill that void. In addition to that, as of now most of the player changes to fit the system have already happened and the people that Beane and McDermott want on defense are in place, there is nowhere to go but up from here. "Pretty worrying so far. Our defense def had holes to fill, but I think some people tend to forget how many games they won us this season. I can maybe think of 1 or 2 games where the defense let us down. This offense right now is not an ideal place where a rookie QB can come and learn. We have the worst line in the league by a longshot. We have 1 extremely injury prone WR and an aging RB." There are some valid worries there, the line in my opinion is not as bad as some think, but there could be trouble if McCoy gets hurt or does not produce. On the bright side, with McCarron there, Allen does not have to be ready right away. Going back to the point of your post, there are many differences between now and 2013. I feel like you have already taken the worst case scenario and made that fact in your mind. Lets see what happens in the next few months.