transplantbillsfan

Who wants to settle for average? Upgrade when and where you can, including at the QB position, you just keep average until you have something better... and that's not Peterman.

Wait... are you actually now trying to take the blame off Peterman by saying the rest of the team wasn't up for the challenge of his much more sophisticated (or in your words his "complex fast moving" ) offense and that's the reason Peterman threw 5 (nearly 6) interceptions and botched a shotgun snap because he had his hands down at his side? Oy

But he also makes plays

Ummm... what??? A misreading? Anyone who still thinks the Bills were correct to bench Tyrod Taylor for the Nathan Peterman Turnover Loop yesterday need only look around the league. Jared Goff, Deshaun Watson, Carson Wentz, Alex Smith: all have either benefitted or improved this season because they play in offenses tailored to their strengths as quick-read or dual-threat quarterbacks.* Read-options, run-pass options, zone-reads, play-action, pre-snap motion—these are the tools smart coaches are using to overcome the traditional deficiencies that have crept into the NFL because of the proliferation of spread offenses at the game’s lower levels. Then there is the paleozoic stubbornness of Bills head coach Sean McDermott and offensive coordinator Rick Dennison, who have insisted on making Taylor something he’s not, only to fault Taylor the moment things began to go south after a surprising 5-2 start. Not a misreading. In the very beginning it's pointing out an approach by McDermott and Dennison that the article views as "palezoic stubbornness." Love the phrasing because that's pretty much what it is.

Yep, one **** game against the Saints, he gets benched for it, and karma comes back and really bites the guy who benched him in the butt

The one reason Peterman was touted as a potential 2nd or 3rd round draft pick was because he was labeled as the most "NFL ready" QB of the 2017 draft. So much for that. Now what? Work ethic? Sure, anything is possible. But I'd say it's highly unlikely Peterman becomes a Franchise QB... even more unlikely than Taylor

Funny because by most accounts that's the entire reason Peterman was such a steal in the 5th round and why some projected him in the first few rounds: He was the most NFL ready QB, remember?

Lost in this thread and all of the criticism of the writing itself is the fact that it contains a whole lot of truths about Taylor: - There are coaches who adamantly prefer system over player and there are coaches have a lot more flexibility and creativity who design schemes around those players that they already have. Goff, Watson, Smith and Wentz are used as examples. Our current coaches are clearly the former rather than the latter. - Tyrod does miss open receivers. But so does every other QB in the NFL. But "number of open receivers missed per game" still is not a statistic that they track as far, as I know. So a lot of the talk about Taylor missing "too many" open receivers just seems like a stab in the dark unless you're comparing him with some kind of NFL norm. - All of the arguments that Taylor always throws too short of the sticks in comparison to other NFL QBs seems to be shot down as Next Gen Stats notes he's right in the middle of the pack in terms of air yards to the sticks. - In fact, since 2015 Taylor's 3rd down passes have traveled an average of 10.1 yards through the air which is 3rd best in the league. - The Bills are so awful on 1st and 2nd down that the 3rd worst team in the NFL in terms of distance to go on 3rd down. - Despite that, somehow Taylor still has the 9th best 3rd down conversion % on 3rd down plays. I can also add that Taylor's improved in varying degrees on things people really criticized him for in his first couple years. Throwing in that intermediate middle range (10-20 yards) of the football field is really not a big issue or even topic of discussion anymore because he's throwing there more and throwing there effectively. He still has work to do in the pocket, but he's also really improved there. I don't know that it's really fair to say that the Bills are clueless about Taylor yet because the rest of the season has yet to unfold and it will be interesting to see what happens in the off-season. I understand wanting to see Peterman to see if he could be better, although it's a little disturbing that the coaches legitimately thought he might be better after watching and then practice for this whole time. Then again, it seems to go back to one of those things in the first bullet point having to do with scheming for your players. Dennison obviously doesn't like to do that. One thing's for sure though. There seems to be a lot of clueless Bills fans.

Why the heck is Humber in there over Milano?

Yes, 61 TDs and 20 turnovers in a Bills uniform.

Lead is greater than leader of the team? What does that even mean? And if you knew what I would say, why did you ask?

We'll see. If he does, I don't think he wins it. And if he does win it, I don't think he keeps it very long when he faces real NFL regular season defenses and not preseason defenses or his own team's TC defense. I don't know what you mean by "lead a team," but yeah Taylor could absolutely be a starting QB for a playoff team. He can't carry a team like Brady, Rodgers or Brees. Give him a top 10-15 defense, an above average OL and a decent running game all in the same season and yes, you get him in the playoffs with a potential playoff win or two. Why does this seem so far fetched to some of you? Is anyone seeing what's happened to Dak Prescott without a running game?

I saw 1, but also saw 1 near pick-6 a defender dropped and a botched snap that was Peterman's fault if we're really keeping track of who's at fault for what. Why doesn't this same backwards logic apply for Taylor who would have just 1 interception to 12 passing TDs if Charles Clay didn't let catchable balls bounce through his hands.

62 total TDs. 20 total turnovers. No 15 interceptions and 5 lost turnovers. 20 total turnovers.

No, what's dumb, dumb dumb dumb is saying Taylor looked bad when you are literally pointing to one out of 40+ snaps he took as a sign he was bad, too. And what's dumb, dumb dumb dumb is deciding he was bad when you didn't even watch most of the snaps he took. And for the record, Taylor was utterly crappy against the Saints. I said when McDermott benched him I completely understood the benching, largely because I thought Peterman would be able to run the offense. Boy was I wrong! So were the coaches But really I think this was the second best outcome for the bills with what transpired last week in terms of the QB position. The best obviously would've been Peterman playing lights out and looking like a great QB and his first start and leading us to victory. That didn't happen. He was spectacularly awful. And this solidifies the fact that he won't be our long-term answer at QB and forces McBeane's hands even more in the draft to go up and get a QB high.

I don't think we will actually. It's funny, what was the biggest positive on Peterman coming out of the draft and the reason everyone thought he was such a steal in the fifth round (bottom of the fifth round, mind you)? He was supposed to be the most NFL ready guy, right? The reality is that we saw a guy who absolutely should not have been on the field on Sunday. I would bet that our starter next year in week one is either our newly drafted first round rookie or Taylor as the rookie sits waiting in the wings. Please don't let it be Jeff Tuel 2.0

No, he didn't. Not under any laws or rules set forth by the NFL he didn't.

Dude, do you get the phrase "historically bad?" Go look up what Joe Flacco did against the Jags 3rd game of THIS YEAR!!! It was worse than Taylor. And I'm not trying to say Taylor's game wasn't utterly crappy because it was. But it wasn't historically crappy. You have to look to before the AFL/NFL merger to find a QB who's thrown 5 interceptions in a half. And there was a 6th he would have thrown if the defender didn't drop it looking at the open space in front of him to the end zone. Historically bad.

Except saying "even Taylor looked bad in that game" is dumb because he didn't. Argue it was in garbage time. Argue it was against backups. Fair arguments to make. But you said and are persisting that "Taylor looked bad, too," when anyone who watched the 2nd half knows how false that statement is considering you're basing it on one play. And before you try saying something about basing Peterman's performance on 5 plays... no let's also include the botched snap that was his fault and the near pick-6 another defender had on the right sideline on a ball he never should've thrown... plus the fact that he had ZERO to do with the TD drive he took snaps for. Taylor was good... sure it was in "garbage time" with some backups in and out of the game for sure... but he was good. Peterman was so historically bad I would honestly rather never have to see him take another meaningful snap for Buffalo again

So you didn't watch most of the half Taylor played? 1 turnover to 5 turnovers that almost turned to 7? Yeah that alone is much better... without even factoring in the positive plays. Happy Thanksgiving!!!

This is exactly right and exactly why McDermott has to start Taylor this week and almost certainly until we're mathematically eliminated from the playoffs. It's just disturbing if he actually believed Peterman would somehow be an upgrade for a team in the thick of a playoff hunt when he's seen this obvious downgrade in practice. Oy

No response to the hypocrisy Ry... I mean Fitzy? What a troll... or an idiot... or both "Look at meeeee!!! I'm Maury L Fitzy and I'm so smart I can't hold a username for more than a few months!!!" Are we to assume you're betting under 130 and we lose? So that means if he goes over 130 OR we win you shut up or play nice?

Not a reason to throw significantly worse in the game just because it can get better

Yeah I caught the dig. I wonder if the OP is saying he's taking his own bet...? If he is, what the hell is he going to do if Taylor throws for over and we win? I don't think I've seen that poster say a single positive thing about this team under any of the three usernames I've seen from him And you might not want to poke bears, but paper tigers are okay

Gut feeling says you're right. I also thought he was poised for a big game against the Chargers. Instead he had a big half. Not as confident about a win as Taylor playing well, though.