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no matter who he has at QB: he/they is/are uber conservative on offense. Contrary to popular belief, the Bills pretty consistently do establish the pass early in games, it's just they don't stick with it once they get a lead because they want to run out the clock. This is why I want to bang my head against a wall with some people who adamantly argue that Taylor isn't a serious contributor to these wins and people who argue that any other QB who comes in will just automatically fix things and be better. It's like people don't bother watching games and just look at the box score in the end. Just look at passing in 1st half of the KC game vs passing in the 2nd half. 1st half 15/24 for 121 yards and 1 TD 0 sacks 2 scrambles for 13 yards 0 passes called back on penalties 26 total passing plays for 134 total yards We went into the half up by 10 points: 13-3 2nd half 4/5 for 62 yards 2 sacks minus 19 yards 2 scrambles for 12 yards 9 total passing plays for 55 total yards There's an ebb and flow to the conservative way McDermott and Dennison call their plays. In a game where we're behind, Taylor passes significantly more, in a game we're tied, Taylor passes less, in a 1 score game with the lead, even less, and in a 2 score game, we pass a lot less. The Bills went up by 2 scores (10 points) just under 3 minutes into the 2nd quarter. Up to that point, Taylor threw 16 passes in 27 plays. 59% passing rate. Then the Bills went up by 2 scores and on their next drive and he only threw 3 passes on 12 plays. 25% passing rate. Then the Chiefs kicked a FG and came within 1 score and the Bills got the ball back with less than 2 minutes and Taylor threw 6 passes in 7 plays to lead the team to a FG to go up by 10 points. 86% passing rate. Then 5 passes in the 2nd half. On the entire year, only 71 of Taylor's 308 passes this year have come when the Bills have been leading, but only 12 of those passes have come when this team has been up by 2 or more scores (9 points or more). There's only one other NFL QB who's thrown 4 times more total passes than number of passes from behind: Mithchell Trubisky with the head coach John Foxx, a notoriously conservative Head Coach. And before you just automatically point the finger at Trubisky, take a look at the Colts with Jacoby Brissett, who had thrown almost exactly as many passes from ahead as he has from behind. We've run 76 offensive plays up by 9 points or more. He's thrown the ball just 15.8% of the plays we've been up by that much. You just don't find other QBs with such a low %. We've run 688 total offensive plays... 612 have been with us trailing or tied or up by only one score. 296 of those plays have been passes. ( now I realize that there are also designed passing plays that are not reflected in those passes such as sacks and scrambles, but that's a lot more work than I'm willing to do at this moment ) When "it's a game," there's clearly a plan to throw the ball as Taylor actually throws the ball 48.4% of the time. Designed passes will be well above 50% and maybe close to 60% when you find all the sacks and scrambles that happened in those 612 plays when we were trailing, tied, or up by one score. When the Bills have a solid lead, he only throws it 15.8% of the friggin time! I understand that there are probably going to be some who point to how little faith our OC and HC have and Taylor and that this reflects that, but it really doesn't make much sense for a team as ineffective in the running game as we are (we had 16/26 runs by RBs against KC for gains of one yard or less) when you have a QB who will obviously protect the football and not turn it over. We are very likely going to have a new QB under center next season. I don't know why anyone would have any confidence in our OC (and even HC?) in terms of our approach to the games and how effective our QB would be.

Actually, the Bills pretty consistently do establish the pass early in games, it's just they don't stick with it once they get a lead because they want to run out the clock. This is why I want to bang my head against a wall with some people who adamantly argue that Taylor isn't a serious contributor to these wins. It's like people don't bother watching games and just look at the box score in the end. 1st half 15/24 for 121 yards and 1 TD We went into the half up by 10 points: 13-3 2nd half 4/5 for 62 yards There's an ebb and flow to the conservative way McDermott and Dennison call their plays. In a 1 score game, Taylor passes more. In a 2 score game, we pass a lot less. The Bills went up by 2 scores (10 points) just under 3 minutes into the 2nd quarter. Up to that point, Taylor threw 16 passes in 27 plays. Then the Bills went up by 2 scores and on their next drive and he only threw 3 passes on 12 plays. Then the Chiefs kicked a FG and came within 1 score and the Bills got the ball back with less than 2 minutes and Taylor threw 6 passes in 7 plays to lead the team to a FG to go up by 10 points. Then 5 passes in the 2nd half. Only 71 of Taylor's 308 passes this year have come when the Bills have been leading, but only 12 of those passes have come when this team has been up by 2 or more scores (9 points or more). We've run 76 offensive plays up by 9 points or more. He's thrown the ball just 15.8% of the plays we've been up by that much. We've run 688 total offensive plays... 612 have been with us trailing or tied or up by only one score. 296 of those plays have been passes. When "it's a game," there's clearly a plan to throw the ball as Taylor throws the ball 48.4% of the time. When the Bills have a solid lead, he only throws it 15.8% of the time.

https://twitter.com/NFLResearch/status/934857339433189376 Bills WR Zay Jones has 2 TD in his last 3 games, and Tyrod Taylor has a 126.4 passer rating when targeting Jones in that span For context, Jones didn’t score a single TD in his first 7 games, and Taylor had a 28.8 passer rating when targeting Jones over that span

Twitter is full of absolute stupidity and stupid people who can't decipher fact from fiction. It's also full of stupid trolls. Sure, there's some good there. But too often looking on twitter makes me realize just how stupid people actually are. I should rephrase I suppose... twitter's not completely stupid because I'll go there and look at stuff, but I'm not a member. I never go on facebook. I never go on Instagram.

jmc12290 would love that... even when we get worse So ridiculously predictable it's sickening. You look at the formation and know what play is going to be run half the time! And so does the defense! Why can't we luck out with a young brilliant OC for once? Do we even have any of those potential guys on staff if we were to fire Dennison right now?

Truthfully whatever site you posted in the OP is blocked on my server here so I can't even read whatever stupid stuff people are saying. I've never posted a tweet in my life. I think social media is stupid. And as Happydays pointed out, if there are people roasting Tyrod, I bet most of them are Bills fans. I'm sure you're one of the proud ones who tweeted him and just had to post this thread as a source of pride. On a sidenote, what's the next username you have stored in your vault once this one gets banned? You're already on your 3rd in 9 months. Think you'll get to 5 in a year?

You lost your own bet. You aren't allowed to speak ill of Tyrod until next Sunday... remember? Just shameful

Wow... some seriously shaky language in here, Thurm I see you're still arguing just to argue, Thurm And are we really comparing our team with a generational team with multiple HOFers and an unbelievable OL? That's the equivalent of people who compare Tyrod with Brady.

I don't know. I must be sorely mistaken. Forgive me

Really has nothing to do with Taylor... please refer to above comments about predictable playcalling in reference to handoffs to RBs You're happy with Dennison?

Dennison blows. So 11/26 rushes by RBs went for zero or negative yards yesterday is Taylor's fault? His playcalling is so predictable it's almost sickening. McDermott wanted McCoy... go get him!

We might not be. But we might just be getting tons of sacks and interceptions instead with the OL we have. I think this team seriously overachieved largely because of Taylor. And I realize that's going to get a laugh based on the yards he gets per game because there are those who are just obsessed with yards, but I'm actually going to paraphrase BLM from a thread he had last week regarding his observations from the chargers game: we would be a one or two win team without Taylor. It's not reflected in statistics, but I think our OL is one of the worst in the NFL and to top it off we have one of the worst offensive playcallers in the NFL. Dennison called 26 rushes to RBs yesterday. 16 of them went for no more than 1 yard. 11 of them went for zero or negative yardage. That's just insane when you have one of the best RBs in the NFL! And that's not even counting other stupid handoffs like the one on third and six. Taylor has faced more third and longs then any other QB in the NFL this year other than Rivers and somehow he ranks 12th in the NFL and third down conversion percentage. Why so many third and longs? Because Denison keeps calling these goddamn predictable plays on first and second down! I don't think he's going to get fired this year, but I hope in the off-season McDermott goes out and gets McCoy, the guy he initially wanted as his OC. As for Taylor, from the outside it sure looks like there has been irreparable damage done to that relationship. But I also have this sneaky suspicion that public perception is just perception and nothing close to reality. I think McBean picks up Taylor's option with the plan to either trade him during the draft for a first round pick or keep them next year and and allow him to start while the rookie learns on the bench. His contract is set up to do almost exactly that. Look,allow him to start while the rookie learns on the bench. His contract is set up to do almost exactly that. Look, Taylor is a significantly improved quarterback this year from what he was the last couple years and a lot of ways. You can just see it if you're really being honest and watching him play with his pocket presence and his passing over the middle (talking deep and intermediate ) and his third-down conversions, etc. With all of that said, this victory was nice, but it was definitely deflated a little bit by a combination of the previous three games and the upcoming Game against the patriots. And it was made even worse by the fact that our coaches were just coaching scared by the end of the game. Really irritating. Whatever small chance we have of beating the patriots is going to be completely negated if McDermott and Dennison keep coaching like this. Yuuuuuuppp!!! Step up to do what? Get destroyed by another guy running straight at him? Goff is largely the product of a brilliant offensive mind combined with a ton of offensive talent right now. He would likely be terrible on the Bills!

We have draft picks we can use to get a Franchise QB by trading up next draft. We've already won too many games to get one of the top 2-5 picks on our own. Time to root for the playoffs if you aren't already Hell, I don't care if we get in the playoffs and get blown out of the water... let's just make the friggin playoffs for once!!! It's not where you draft it's who you draft. Alex Smith was drafted #1 overall while Aaron Rodgers slid into the 20s. Look at how bad Trubisky looks and how good Watson look(ed). Draft the right guy... not EJ 2.0.

McDermott reportedly wanted Mike McCoy as his OC first and he's currently available. I could see him firing Dennison and going after McCoy. You just can't argue that Dennison doesn't have some infuriatingly head-scratchingly conservative play calling at times.

This is seriously infuriating. I can't stand Dennison. I'm sick of runs that are going to be stuffed for -2 or -3 yards before they happen because his play calling is so goddamn predictable. I just went through the play-by-play and our running game produced 11 runs for no gain or negative yardage and 5 more that went for just 1 yard. 57% of our friggin runs by an RB went for 1 yard or less!!! I don't know what the hell McDermott was thinking on that 2nd to last drive not just trying to put the game away. You have a QB who won't turn the ball over in that situation so why the hell aren't you going for a first down rather than 3 ridiculously predictable runs? *Conspiracy theory alert* I actually kinda think McDermott is MUUUCH more focused on the future than the present. I don't think he particularly cares about winning right now. I won't say he actively wants to lose, but at the same time he seems to be doing everything on earth to try to. I don't know if being a defensive HC makes him focused on defensive development so he's fine giving teams like the Falcons or Chiefs the ball back with an opportunity to drive down for a GWD so he can see how his defense responds. Maybe Taylor has exceeded his expectations of what he thought he'd be. Obviously that's not reflected in numbers like passing yards (which I know some people cling needlessly to), but when you consider how Taylor has been somehow overcoming a porous OL and atrocious running game in times he absolutely has to pass, he's been good. I think Taylor's significantly improved some aspects of his game. It's going to be interesting what unfolds the rest of the season and next offseason, to say the least.

KC also kept Alex Smith and started him while the young kid learned on the bench. That's kinda what I'm expecting to happen next year. At the very least, I think we'll pick up Taylor's option to trade him at draft time to trade up and get "our guy." Except the defense and the running game didn't show up yesterday... just the defense. That's generally true for most QBs. Look at what's happening in Dallas with Dak Prescott. Taylor might be playing behind one of the worst OLs in the NFL and having his plays called by one of the worst OCs in the NFL and yet, somehow, he's been efficient and doing what he's been asked to do. It's a little hard to convert 3rd down conversions consistently when your team averages a 8+ yards to go on 3rd down. Running game? What running game? Without Taylor eluding pass rush that would have otherwise been a sack with any other QB and then passing yesterday, we lose. It's a team game people. Taylor's the QB and was a huge contributor to that victory.

That O'Leary pass definitely could have been better. It was one of the big reasons we didn't get that first down. At the same time, O'Leary could have got up and run for the first down or probably just rolled for a first down pretty easily. That said, I think people are really dumb when it comes to the Taylor scrutiny. He's doing what he's asked to do in an offensive system and with an OC who simply looks inept. Can anyone find a stat for "most negative plays on 1st and 2nd down in the NFL" this year or "most negative rushes in the NFL?" I bet we're right at the top, if not #1 for both. Dennison won't get fired this year, but I really hope McDermott fires him in the offseason and brings in McCoy, the guy he apparently wanted initially. In that game Taylor faced an average of 8 yards to go on 3rd down. That's considered a 3rd and long and Taylor converted 4 out of 11 of those 3rd and longs. That 36.4% conversion percentage yesterday on 3rd and long is the 4th highest conversion percentage in the entire NFL on 3rd and long. And Taylor faces waaaaaayyyy too many of those (tied for 2nd most in the entire NFL) thanks to some terribly predictable playcalling on first and 2nd down by Dennison. I actually read some posts by some idiotic people putting blame on Taylor for not getting a 1st down to run out the clock on our 2nd to last drive... as though it's his fault Dennison called 2 straight runs that got stuffed and then a QB draw. People are dumb. Taylor's a good QB who we'll try to upgrade on in the offseason. In the meantime, he's the guy helping us to win games as opposed to the guy last week who literally threw games away to the other team last week.

Every win is a good win when we're still this much in the playoff hunt. Obviously.

Hell yeah baby!!! Let's go Texans!!!

Here we go baby!!! 6 wins in the weak AFC!!! Find a way to get 3 more and we're in!!! Whoop Whoop!!!

I don't think we're trading for another QB were trying to acquire one of these mid-level free agents. I think we're drafting a guy high. But that doesn't preclude us from keeping Taylor for 2018. The way they built his contract and almost seems like that was in the plans.

I'm starting to question this, too. I actually think there's a decent chance he's still our starter in 2018. At the very least, I think we're going to pick up his option and use him as part of a trade.

Exactly

I don't think you actually watch football. Being an Internet Troll must be your hobby. Bengals 2016 all over? What a joke Who really cares though... no one should take anything you say seriously at this point. Way to start a huge ridiculous mean-spirited call out bet and then handle your loss like a child. Bad form!

Wow super lame. Can't even live up to your own bet for one hour. Nice display of a lack of integrity