transplantbillsfan

Fitzy can't say anything bad about our QBs for a week :neener: Whoop whoop!!!

Awesome! I hope you're right! We will almost certainly be drafting one of those six guys that you just put up. Can't wait!

It's too bad you just keep on shifting your argument Thurm. It's like you're chasing your own tail or something. We've had this conversation enough where it's pretty easy to remember that it was always about frequency throwing to the deep middle. It was frequency that you stressed. And suddenly as you see that Taylor is comparable to one of the better NFL QBs (and question, what are the numbers of all of the other NFL QBs to the deep middle if you're saying Wilson throws there less than most? Have you done the work? Can't wait to read it!) you suddenly bring in how ineffective he is. And you say you lump the two together because Taylor has a history of both. Well as far as the intermediate middle goes, he's been improving on it since his first year as a starter and is significantly improved right now. And he throws their relatively frequently and incredibly effectively. So you talk your bubbles about the deep middle, leave the poor now innocent intermediate middle out of it

Just wanted to get you on record

I didn't respond to everything because why bother if you're just playing a rhetorical game rather than actually talking football? As for deep and intermediate, why do you still lump the 2 together? Honestly, it's a weird stubborn obsession you have doing that. Intermediate middle is no longer a problem. And that was the biggest legitimate worry because the vaaAAAaaaassst majority of NFL throws are less than 20 yards and the chain moving money maker throws are those 10-20 yard throws. And the most difficult ones are that middle portion less than 20 yards where you're dealing with all the traffic. He has a passer rating above 143 throwing there (league average is low 80s) and he's thrown almost 20 passes, 2 TDs and zero interceptions to the intermediate middle portion of the field. That's A LOT more than the last couple years. He improved from 2015 to 2016 but his leap from 2016 to 2017 is noticeable and significant. As for the deep middle. It still doesn't matter, but Taylor's thrown 1.1% of his passes there. Russell Wilson's thrown 2.1% of his passes there. Whoopdy doooo

Whatever you say Thurm. Typical approach by you. Avoid actual discussion by sticking with weird semantics. Ready to talk yet about how improved Taylor is over the intermediate middle portion of the field yet?

So I know this was a troll job, but are you taking your own bet up or are you that incapable of speaking positively about Taylor for the week if he passes for over 130 yards (which he will) and we win (which we might)?

Can you give me the 3 who are obviously upgrades on Taylor?

Wow... you actually did this for that game?!?! I have to ask why? Was it primarily to see if the players quit. If not... good... I guess...? Anyway, it really was a fantastic job. I think the comments about Taylor standing between us and the 1st and 2nd pick is a mixed bag considering the waffling our coach is doing. Thanks for the work! But whyyyyyy?!

Just come ask for some in a month and a half when it happens

Oh no, you're mistaken. Go back and look at all of my posts over the summer regarding Peterman. I never thought the kid had it. My concern was and is and has always been his arm strength. He has a weak arm but a gunslinger's mentality. I think Hyde's moniker of Nate Favre might've been perfect for him because he looks to be half of what Brett Favre was, but it's the half that made him throw the most interceptions in NFL history. Peterman is missing the talented half of Favre that made up for that gunslinger's mentality... that good ole rocket arm. I went into that game last week really thinking and or hoping I was completely wrong and that the coaches knew what the hell they were doing by putting the best QB in. Instead, I saw the worst football by a QB I've ever seen. Besides, we're not just talking about a bad half of football by a QB. We are talking about the worst half of football by a QB in probably the last half a century in a very cute be friendly era with the guy who's biggest strength coming out of college was that he was the most "pro ready" QB of the draft. I will root for him if he gets back in the game and absolutely 100% hope he proves me wrong because I'm a Bills fan. But I highly highly highly highly highly doubt it.

Taylor neutralizes the pass rush with his escape ability. That Chargers game would have been much closer if not a W with Taylor in there. The Chargers average starting field position was in Buffalo territory with Peterman at the helm even without his pick-6.

Even if "only" 4 were on him, he threw another pass to the right sideline that should have been a pick-6 but was dropped. And he botched a snap that he had his hands at his sides for that could have been another turnover. 8 drives 5 turnovers 2 3 & outs 1 TD... thank you Shady! Peterman was so awful that it's a good thing. Movin on...

Just as benching him at the half was and for the rest of the season until we're out of the playoff race is

6 baby!!! We're going 11-5 and stealing the division!!!

Yes, I can't prophesize but sure let's say I'm 99% confident that kid won't make it beyond being the long term backup other than the few games he might get to end the season. And are you seriously bringing up the WR corps as an excuse for Peterman?! Sheesh... you guys are just full of double standards Well at least Taylor didn't have negative NET yards and negative NET points contributing to a 30 point halftime deficit Well, at least your fantasy land has music. Hope that's a good tune you're hearing there

Who wants to settle for average? Upgrade when and where you can, including at the QB position, you just keep average until you have something better... and that's not Peterman.

Wait... are you actually now trying to take the blame off Peterman by saying the rest of the team wasn't up for the challenge of his much more sophisticated (or in your words his "complex fast moving" ) offense and that's the reason Peterman threw 5 (nearly 6) interceptions and botched a shotgun snap because he had his hands down at his side? Oy

But he also makes plays

Ummm... what??? A misreading? Anyone who still thinks the Bills were correct to bench Tyrod Taylor for the Nathan Peterman Turnover Loop yesterday need only look around the league. Jared Goff, Deshaun Watson, Carson Wentz, Alex Smith: all have either benefitted or improved this season because they play in offenses tailored to their strengths as quick-read or dual-threat quarterbacks.* Read-options, run-pass options, zone-reads, play-action, pre-snap motion—these are the tools smart coaches are using to overcome the traditional deficiencies that have crept into the NFL because of the proliferation of spread offenses at the game’s lower levels. Then there is the paleozoic stubbornness of Bills head coach Sean McDermott and offensive coordinator Rick Dennison, who have insisted on making Taylor something he’s not, only to fault Taylor the moment things began to go south after a surprising 5-2 start. Not a misreading. In the very beginning it's pointing out an approach by McDermott and Dennison that the article views as "palezoic stubbornness." Love the phrasing because that's pretty much what it is.

Yep, one **** game against the Saints, he gets benched for it, and karma comes back and really bites the guy who benched him in the butt

The one reason Peterman was touted as a potential 2nd or 3rd round draft pick was because he was labeled as the most "NFL ready" QB of the 2017 draft. So much for that. Now what? Work ethic? Sure, anything is possible. But I'd say it's highly unlikely Peterman becomes a Franchise QB... even more unlikely than Taylor

Funny because by most accounts that's the entire reason Peterman was such a steal in the 5th round and why some projected him in the first few rounds: He was the most NFL ready QB, remember?

Lost in this thread and all of the criticism of the writing itself is the fact that it contains a whole lot of truths about Taylor: - There are coaches who adamantly prefer system over player and there are coaches have a lot more flexibility and creativity who design schemes around those players that they already have. Goff, Watson, Smith and Wentz are used as examples. Our current coaches are clearly the former rather than the latter. - Tyrod does miss open receivers. But so does every other QB in the NFL. But "number of open receivers missed per game" still is not a statistic that they track as far, as I know. So a lot of the talk about Taylor missing "too many" open receivers just seems like a stab in the dark unless you're comparing him with some kind of NFL norm. - All of the arguments that Taylor always throws too short of the sticks in comparison to other NFL QBs seems to be shot down as Next Gen Stats notes he's right in the middle of the pack in terms of air yards to the sticks. - In fact, since 2015 Taylor's 3rd down passes have traveled an average of 10.1 yards through the air which is 3rd best in the league. - The Bills are so awful on 1st and 2nd down that the 3rd worst team in the NFL in terms of distance to go on 3rd down. - Despite that, somehow Taylor still has the 9th best 3rd down conversion % on 3rd down plays. I can also add that Taylor's improved in varying degrees on things people really criticized him for in his first couple years. Throwing in that intermediate middle range (10-20 yards) of the football field is really not a big issue or even topic of discussion anymore because he's throwing there more and throwing there effectively. He still has work to do in the pocket, but he's also really improved there. I don't know that it's really fair to say that the Bills are clueless about Taylor yet because the rest of the season has yet to unfold and it will be interesting to see what happens in the off-season. I understand wanting to see Peterman to see if he could be better, although it's a little disturbing that the coaches legitimately thought he might be better after watching and then practice for this whole time. Then again, it seems to go back to one of those things in the first bullet point having to do with scheming for your players. Dennison obviously doesn't like to do that. One thing's for sure though. There seems to be a lot of clueless Bills fans.

Why the heck is Humber in there over Milano?