oldmanfan

I agree, which is why the takes on firing the current HC and GM based on one game are ridiculous. We need continuity.

Yeah, I don't think Allen changes at all going forth. But if the O line fails again, you have to change some guys there.

They want draft picks because they want to build primarily through the draft. With what they did last year they were able to get the two premier guys they wanted, including the guy they see as their franchise QB and their defensive leader for years to come. And even using the picks they had to in order to get them, they still have ten picks next year and a ton of cash for the FA market. Here's what you would have done if they had traded a bunch of picks instead of Glenn. You'd blast them for giving up so many picks and not building through the draft. I still would have liked them to keep Watkins. But it's undeniable that for the past year he's essentially been a decoy.

Yeah. do you rip the band aid off quickly or slowly. They chose quickly. Hurts a lot more but for a much shorter time, right?

Yep. Can't figure out what's going on with him. Scheme is one thing. Being dominated physically is another.

All you can ask of a young Qb is to work his butt off and do the best he can preparation wise to succeed. Looks like he'll do that. As with all young QBs, it will come down to whether he can get the game to slow down enough to make the right reads and the right throws. Tme will tell.

To put it in perspective, the guy you're debating with here is convinced he played Peterman because of religious reasons.

I would be forced to agree

I have a feeling you'll see someone like Anderson or Moore here soon. They worked out Lynch so it would seem they're thinking about options.

16 million dollars. That's why you trade Taylor.

Absolutely. But also let's remember they have a multiyear plan to get this done, right?

Same old thing here. Glenn was hurt almost all of last season, and Dawkins filled in admirably. when you have a guy on a rookie contract performing well at the spot, and you can gain back cap dollars, it's done routinely in the league. and they needed to move up to get their QB. McCarron got beat out, although I would say they should now bring in a guy like Anderson to have that more veteran presence to help Allen out. The accuracy thing has been beat to death around here. It's Allen's show now. We'll see how he does.

I get your point. I think it was primarily cap issues that were involved.

That presupposes the Jets we're going to trade McCown or Teddy, they could have freed up another 10-20 million in cap space for Keenum or Bradford. Beane was pretty clear he wanted to get his QB in a draft with a number of prospects. I was a Rosen guy myself but I'm warming up to the idea of Allen. It is worth note that the coach in question was the coach of a playoff team last year.

As I said above they should bring in a guy like Anderson now. They perhaps could have gotten a guy like him vs. McCarron. Not sure it would have made a whole lot of difference.

I think you have a point. It would have been nice if Richie hadn't lost his mind in the offseason. And Miller has regressed for whatever reason. I think there are scheme issues, and if I'm Daboll and McD I'd be going crazy on Castillo right now. But my impression is that it is mostly a physical thing. I looked at last week, and also looked at the Bengals preseason game. Here's Ducasse, he weights like 330. Groy and Miller each go around 300-310. They have simply been dominated physically. I don't know how a 330 lb guard can literally just get shoved right back 5 yards as if he's a rag doll. Groy and MIller routinely get blown up. That's just terrible to me, and the reason why I'd be perfectly happy if they started Teller and Ike Sunday. From preseason it looks like at least they wouldn't get blown up like that.

I think in retrospect that they might have gone a different direction and picked up say nan Anderson or Morre as the veteran presence vs. McCarron. But let's step back and look at some of what's been posted here. 1. Allen struggled to throw for over 50% in college and has never done anything. Well, he threw for 56% and the offense they ran wasn't the quick 5 yard throws to wide open people. So there's that. 2. They shouldn't have gotten rid of McCarron. Well, maybe. They would have had to carry 3 Qbs then. But McCarron looked terrible in his half with the first team, Peterman looked better in preseason. Peterman also looked better all off-season in workouts, and we don't know what went on in the film rooms, meetings, etc. So they chose between two guys, and one had done better. Peterman. Why Peterman sees the deer in the headlights last week is a mystery to me; he seemingly cannot transfer his practice to real games. 3. Allen will get ruined behind a bad O line. Maybe. Maybe not. That I thuink comes down to the individual makeup of the guy. Allen seems pretty tough mentally. And physically he hopefully an take hits. It would be nice in the interior of the line decides to play football. 4. McD can't develop a QB. Well, maybe not because his specialty is as a DC. But he's HC now, and his job is to hire guys that can develop the QB. So Daboll will get to do that, and we will see how he does. So really, when you get down to it, what folks wanted I think is for the team to have a better O line in place, better WRs, etc. before letting Allen play. But the only way you were going to get that all in one year was to not draft Allen (or the potential QB on the D side in Edmunds who looks like he's going to be pretty god), trade down, get a bunch more picks, and draft a bunch of O linemen and WRs. And if you had done that, no Allen. One can argue that one wither way of course; different people have different takes on how to build a team. Beans and McD decided they needed the QB and the MLB. Of course, so many people say the= only thing that matters is getting your QB, and when they make the moves to do so all of a sudden you should have used the picks the other way as described above. But there you go. So the Allen era begins. Daboll and the rest of the O staff have a very important job now. Allen does. The linemen may want to actually start playing football, and the WRs may actually want to consider catching the ball when it hits them in the hands. Should be interesting to watch. And one last thing: if I'm McD and Beane I reach out to a guy like Anderson, bring him in as the vet who can sit in the film room and help the kid, and put Nate either on the practice squad if eligible or just tell him it's been fun. That I think you can fairly criticize them about.

Groy played fine when Wood went down a couple years ago. He needs to get back to that level. Your memory is very selective.

Yep. I was a Rosen guy myself. I am happy with what I've seen from Allen though.

Let's take QB as I think everyone agrees that is pivotal. They saw a guy they felt could be the guy for years to come. That costs draft capital. So when you say they could have gotten other QBs for less or no capital who? Jackson perhaps, and if you feel Jackson has similar or better potential then you'd make that argument. This past year they were clear they wanted to get their QB. And they did. And it cost them some capital. Then they had an opportunity to get a guy they feel can anchor their D and spent an extra pick there. They get those two right the rebuilding is off to a good start. If it doesn't Beane will make an excellent scout somewhere and McD will coach DBs for a while.

I mentioned earlier we should count how many posts say that should they lose this week. Or even how many come out when he throws his first pick.

Don't know that I've ever seen better. And if there are better ones they owe that to Tasker showing the league the advantages of having a guy like that. There aren't many guys in league history that define how a position is played. Tasker is one; he has to be in the Hall

Can Ike come out and play? And bring his friend Wyatt?

Lots of young QBs out there; will be interesting to see how they develop. Several years ago I said the era of the superstar QB that can put a team on his shoulders would end with the Brady/Rogers era. I may have to rethink that.

Absolutely