oldmanfan

One game. When McD and Beane came in from all acocounts they told Terry they have a plan but it was going to require time.

I personally was an advocate to sit him for a while and let him learn. But plans change. I'm trying to imagine the conversation McD had with him yesterday. Maybe along the lines of: Josjh allen! Josh Allen! Look Josh. You have to lead your troops. When I was 12 years old Josh, I lost both my parents in the same month! I had 12 brothers and sisters and I was the youngest, but they all looked up to me. And I had to lead my troops.. You have to lead your troops, son. Or something like that.

Gotcha. I think the article is pretty much exactly where McD was coming from. The kid gets his shot. Interesting about his take on the Cinci pre-season game. If anyone up front had decided to play in that game, maybe Allen starts last week and this whole debate would have been moot.

I want to see the playoffs. I know they won't, but I don't want to see them take a step back. Failing that, I want to see; 1. Allen establish himself as our long term QB 2. Edmunds establish himself as our long term defensive leader 3. The two current starting G's replaced by Ike and Wyatt 4. Zay Jones show that he can be counted on as an asset at WR.

I feel like Some of the stuff in that article clearly came at the direction of, or from a discussion with, Beane and/or McDermott. Your words, not mine.

There are some guys that don't make it if you throw them in as rookies, like Carr and such. And some that do, like the two I mentioned. And a lot more on either side of the argument. It is not just 0.0001% of NFL QBs that started as rookies and flamed out because of it. Perhaps the most direct recent example is Wentz. Came from a small school, was supposed to sit his rookie year and watch, but because of injury to Bradford got thrown in there. And he did fine. It will come down to the talent Allen has, and the intestinal fortitude he has. As to the latter, he doesn't strike me as the type that will fold under pressure. Just for fun let's count the number of posts saying he's a bust when he throws his first pick. Shhh. Facts are dangerous.

And some aren't. HOFers like Aikman and P Manning.

I don't think the lead writer for mmqb takes direction on what he writes from any coaches.

I know. You refuse to read. My bad. Can't they just say: See the guy across from you? Knock him down.

Let's try again. If I were Kyle Williams, DT of the Buffalo Bills, and my teammate was dogging it again I would kick his ass right on the sideline.

I said if I were Kyle. There's not a policeman in WNY that would taze Kyle!

True. You can make arguments both ways about starting a rookie QB. Peterman had a strong off season and preseason but folds in real games apparently. So Allen gets his shot.

I would hope the players have a sense of pride and will refuse to get beat down like that again. If I were say Kyle and I see Benjamin give the kind of half hearted effort he did last week, I'd kick his ass in right on the sideline

We'll see. They win Sunday a lot of people around here are going to look really stupid.

I see your point but using Jeff George as an example of a solid NFL QB is a weird way of making it

Like drafting a potential long term QB. Or a stud CB. Or a stud MLB. Will all these happen? We'll see. I believe you need to be strong up front. I anticipate a lot of attention paid to both lines as they go forward. I'll be disappointed if they don't do that.

Right now. But watch for guys like Shady and Kyle and Zo to retire or move on after this season. It may or may not he the Carr situation; that will be determined by the mental makeup of the player. Allen seems pretty tough. Plus the two situations are somewhat dissimilar. Houston was an expansion franchise. It was going to take them a while to build in the trenches. Buffalo got caught with an unexpected retirement and a perhaps slightly predictable losing of the mind of two good players. They felt Groy could do the job at one and hopefully he gets his head out of his butt and starts playing the way he did a couple years ago. The other one I hope a rookie comes in and starts soon. Either way they have 10 picks and millions of cap dollars next year to address this, so Allen may have one year behind a suspect line vs. several that Carr had.

We disagree. Allen is now the starter, he has worked on Daboll's offense since he was drafted. And we'll see how he does. If guys like KB would actually catch the ball when hit right in their hands Allen has a chance to be pretty good.

Matt Ryan has a history in the league. Allen didn't. That's a ridiculous comparison

You are wrong in my opinion. With your approach there would be no need for training camp; just pick 53 guys you might like and that's it. Guys earn their spots. If one guy outplays another but the latter guy is handed the spot, that doesn't help a team. Allen has more physical talent to be sure but that isn't all there is to playing QB. Joe Montana was hardly a physical stud at the position. Peterman showed well in offseason and preseason. He earned his shot. For some reason he becomes a deer in the headlights in the regular season. So the Allen era begins. And the offense will be Daboll's offense and off you go.

Got to have people earn their spot. Peterman looked good but then went belly up. Allen was going to start eventually, just moved up the timetable a few weeks. Would like to see a more veteran guy as backup in the film room. But it could be Peterman is great in the film room but just can't translate it to the field in regular season games.

That means this: they were a playoff team. When the day comes that they win a Lombardi, how do you plan to negate that?

I'd be happy to see him and Teller start.

They got caught short handed in the O line. Other than that? It is amusing to see all the folks now clamoring that TT should have stayed given the grief they gave him last season.

It would be amusing to go back a few years and see the posts then of those criticizing what's going on now. I would bet at least 50% were calling for exactly what they're doing now.