oldmanfan

No you didn't

Again if you can tell me you are like me and have watched games since 1960 fine. If not your take on worst in history is absurd. They stunk yesterday. One game.

I hope your right. The coaches and team leaders have to get on some folks though. Some of the play yesterday was inexcusable.

You go by the data bin front of you.

The plan was to draft a guy. They did. And then bring a veteran presence in to help. They did with McCarron. But then McCarron didn't play well and Peterman did in preseason, so they went with Peterman. Who laid an egg. In hindsight they could have opted for a guy like Matt Moore vs. McCarron. And they just might given Peterman's performance. But Peterman worked his tail off all off season and showed well in preseason games. So he got his shot. some talk about losing the locker room; you could if you'd have ignored what Peterman showed up till yesterday. But he then stunk.

You're the guy that would have traded the whole draft to get Winston. Excuse me if I place no validity in your thoughts on what constitutes a good QB.

A. He's not getting torched. He was the best defender on the team yesterday B. You need a QB on the D almost as much as you need a QB on offense C. To claim any player at any position is a bust after one game in their rookie season is about as inane as it gets.

Yes I did . Edmunds doesn't play offense.

I think you're being too hard on Edmunds.

Then you're deaf.

No, that is actually having a plan. Your hatred blinds you to anything else.

Hindsight being 20:20, we should have brought in a guy like Moore or Anderson as the veteran presence. But that's hindsight. They had seen Peterman a lot in practice and he had performed well, they thought AJ would be a guy that would come on once he got his chance. and they were wrong on both, it would appear. So now Allen gets his shot. A few games earlier than many of us thought. But it was inevitably anyway.

How much better would AJ have done yesterday? Hard to know. We do know how bad he looked that one preseason game.

The tune may be familiar but the melody is different. We never drafted a QB in the top ten before this year. One has to have faith they have the right guy in Allen, and that McD has his Kuechly in Edmunds. Then you go from there.

Would you stop with this nonsense? The guy needs help, he is not coming back onto an NFL roster. They should be making calls to other guards to be sure.

That's called putting your plan in place. They got rid of a malcontent in Dareus who was not playing to a level anywhere near where his contract said he should. They traded Darby and Watkins. Watkins I disagreed with but time shows he has not done much since he left. Darby one could argue they should have kept, but there was just an article in si.com about how they expect he won't get resigned by the Eagles. They knew they'd take a cap hit this year. One can argue about whether they could have restructured contracts or something else, but they decided to rip the band aid off rather than slowly pull on it. The success or failure of that plan will be dictated by how they use the excess cap dollars they'll have next year.

Out of many disappointing things yesterday, he was the most disappointing. Didn't fight for the ball, didn't catch the ball. really terrible.

You could hire a former GM. But recognize that being a former GM means you got fired from somewhere else. Let these guys work their plan.

They may not turn it all around in a year. But they will bring in better players next year to be sure.

It's going to be similar to guys like David Carr. And Aikman. And Peyton. Could go either way. It will come down to the intestinal fortitude of Allen. From what I can see right now, I think he can handle it. Hopefully.

They have by far the most cap space of any team next year, plus all their picks. Where they need to fill in: O line. Need a couple guys there. D line. Need a good DE and DT. WR: Could use a couple to be sure. CB: Need one more They need to do their due diligence to be sure but they can plug a lot of these holes with their cap space and the draft. I will be shocked if they go 0-16. Last year after the Saints debacle we thought they wouldn't win another game and they made the playoffs. I'm not saying yesterday was acceptable by any means, but let's not get too ridiculous yet.

I agree about the O line. The question is , given where they were with cap space, etc, what could they have done to improve it more? I would have liked to see another draft pick spent there, but as far as FAs they simply didn't have the cash to spend. and if you read stuff from writers around the league, there is simply a dearth of good O linemen in the league right now. So it comes down to coaching what you have, and Castillo isn't exactly drawing comparisons to Mouse at this point.

How long have you watched the Bills? I have since 1960. So if you have done the same, you're qualified to say the worst ever. If not, you're not. Go back to the late 60's/early 70's.

With Watkins, he has not done much since he left. So not much of an issue there, even though I still would have liked him to stay. Dares refused to be coached here, didn't play hard enough, and had a crazy big contract. Darby? Maybe not a great decision. People are all upset over the process. Well, they do have a process, and part of that was getting rid of all the bloated contracts, and getting rid of guys they felt did not perform up to those contracts. As for guys brought in? Benjamin? Horrible yesterday. Put aside his one drop, he did not fight for the ball. Just sad to see. Not worth the 3rd they gave up for him. Davis? If he's till hurt a bit we'll see. Star? Hard for me to evaluate these space eating DTs. Murphy? we'll see once he's healthy. As for guys they should have brought in? They need help on the O line, obviously. Were there guys they could have or should have brought in? Possibly, but their cap constraints and getting out from the bloated ones they had kept them from doing so this year. So you bring in second tier guys like Bodine. The problem there is you then have to coach them up, and you have to wonder if the O line coach needs to go. The process means you build primarily through the draft, and I like some of the guys they've drafted. Dawkins, Phillips, White. They got their Qb and MLB this year. Edmunds you could tell from yesterday is going to be a force. Allen will take the reins and he'll have a50?50 shot like all drafted QBs, but he at least seems to have the requisite physical talent and seems to rally the team around him. I thought they'd be 6-8 this year. May have to ratchet that down after yesterday, but then again last year they got blown out three times in a row and rallied back. So we'll see. I hope they bring in a O lineman, start teller, put Ducasse to pasture. A

Objective analysis: Who they shipped off: Watkins, Dareus, Darby