oldmanfan

Your takes on Mariota and Winston were very good, as was your thoughts on Kaepernick and Taylor. But do your really think anyone on this site thinks Allen can do no wrong? Come on now. I think Allen comes out a bit too psyched up in the beginning of games and I t affects his play early. Something he needs to work on; if I were Daboll I'd go back to the Bill Walsh playbook and script the first 15 plays or so. If it was good enough for Montana it should be good enough for Allen. But you also cannot take away the guts and moxie the kid has shown in some of these fourth quarter efforts. That is a real positive.

If I thought he could stay away from the weed, and actually make it through a season without getting suspended, I'd consider it. But history indicates he can't so I'd look elsewhere.

It really is past time to stop your chilidishness. Have a reasonable conversation for a change.

My high school golf coach always talked about “If I’da’s”. If I’d a done this or that. And that it meant squat. Same with football. Bills are 5-1. They could be 6-0 or 0-6 if they’d a done this or that. But they didn’t.

Show choir and theater dad for years now. Could be worse, could be a marching band dad. The amount of volunteer work done for that is insane.

Good point

This is why I never get all up in arms like so many do when the schedule is announced. First, it's not like yoo can change it. Second, every year some teams thought to be good implode and vice versa. How many folks around here were bemoaning the difficulty of our schedule before the season, especially the back half?

My way of saying what the article says is that young QBs have to get the game to slow down. And it won't happen until they have to make decisions.

Needs to put a little more air under the ball on the deep throws. His current WRs aren't as fast as Foster was last year.

The '85 Bears, the Ravens of the Lewis/Reed era, and the Steel curtain defenses are the benchmarks. We'll see how they compare at the end of the season. The '65 Bills too.

My guess is that teams buy it because it saves them money over hiring a group of interns to break down film all the time. It would be interesting to know what they actually take from the data. From perusing some Google documents about PFF it seems their player grades are targeted more at fantasy football fans who think it offers them some advantage. On the other hand it seems guys like Belichick don't place much stock in their grades since the pff personnel have no idea about play calls, responsibilities of players of a given call, etc.

How about specifics? Do you think teams actually use their grades on a player in a given game to base decisions on, for example, who to start and who to sit? Who to draft? Who to trade for? What data do they actually use from PFF? How do you answer the criticisms of their data, in that the grades they give players are complicated by not knowing the play call, not knowing the assignment, and such? Other wise, your statement that "they're good at what they do" comes across simply as you slavishly upholding another media-related site as faultless.

You keep asking why teams buy their product. Perhaps you could give us an answer?

They buy for the amount of film, not their ratings.

Chris Sims on Sunday talked about how Allen doesn’t need to have huge games right now with our running game and defense.

Nothing wrong with wanting to see a big game. But coming up with reason after reason to denigrate the QB of a team that is 5-1? Wrong. The vast vast majority of folks on this board recognize Allen can improve. They also like how he plays in the fourth quarter of games.

Darnold will be OK once he gets a real HC. Why in earth would you let your young QB be miked against the Pats?

Men vs. boys

Let’s matriculate the ball down the field boys.

Around 20.

Simple. Some don’t think Allen will make it. They focused on completion percentage as his negative. Since he’s brought that up, they have to invent something new to criticize. Now it’s the lack of 300 yard games. When he does that they’ll Invent something else.

Quite true.

I reviewed some articles on line about this PFF group. Teams seem to buy their information not for the scores they come up with, but for the amount of film they generate so that teams can use the film for their own analysis. There was one article with Belichick, where he comments on the PFF approach. Simply put, his criticism (and it pretty much matches that of other critics) is that without knowing the play call, and the specific assignment for an individual player on that play call, it's pointless totry and grade a player on a specific play. Since this is about QBs' it becomes even more complex. Take the whole accuracy thing. Apparently Allen is getting criticized for only having perfect accuracy (which is really precision, but I won't go into that again) by these pff guys. here's the deal on that: the only way you can truly judge whether a throw is put exactly where a QB wants it, is to be in the QB's head when he throws so you know what the exact target is that he wants to hit. A QB may make a throw to the exact spot he wants, but the WR doesn't get to the spot in time, or the QB didn't read the pattern correctly. And so on. So to me teams can and do buy their product, but I really doubt they buy it because they feel these ratings per play mean anything.

You’re shortsighted in the 4th quarter comebacks I would say. Allen has things to learn to be sure. But if you watch his game he’s more accurate with throws, he has a higher completion percentage, he’s using shorter patterns. All good things. He still needs to make quicker reads and needs to quit throwing late back into the middle of the field. Those are bad. It really comes down to whether you think a couple guys throwing around fancy terms on a website have any more validity than the next guy. I don’t. Shaw, maybe you and I should get together and do one of these; we’d be as good as these guys and probably better. Oh, and the defense winning games? Fine by me.

Yes he has things that need improvement. But come on now. They harped on his completion percentage, he was 72% last game, and the one guy still says it doesn’t mean anything. I don’t care about this list for three reasons: 1. Made up stats that are made up to try and prove a preconceived idea; 2. Guys doing this that are no more qualified to do it than me or others here; 3. What appears to be confirmation bias. I don’t really care where the Bills QB ranks compared to others. I care about how he plays.