oldmanfan

We will see how the investigation goes. But I would argue given the texts of the emails he sent, the accusations, his stuff with the helmets and his previous stuff, I think the NFL would be justified in putting him on the exempt list and keeping him there while these current allegations are investigated, and I would make counseling mandatory for him to potentially be removed from exempt status.

It makes no sense statistically to compare just by years if you’re talking about the philosophy of an organization. Philosophy is dictated by leadership. You compare based on the different regimes. And we should all hope McD and Beane are here 20 years because it will mean their approach is highly successful.

A number of variables, which I agree is needed to evaluate a QB. I’d like to know why each variable is weighted by a specific amount. How was that determined?

I rewatched the first half last night. The only two passes you could say he missed were the overthrow to Jones down the left side, and he threw wide to Beasley on a 10-15 yard throw to the right side. Every other throw was on target including the pick 6. I say again and will continue to say that when you hit a guy in the hands it cannot be totally in the QB. The tipped pass INT was a good play by the defender. The fumble was his fault, he needs to take the sack. The bad snap is just that. Nitpicking a young QB can be fun and clever I suppose but has no basis in reality in terms of his long term potential. It ignores that it takes two to tango and in that regard I always think back to one of the most historical plays in NFL history. The Catch. Some think Montana was trying to throw it out of the end zone but Clark goes way up there and makes a legendary catch. Did Montana make a bad throw? No. If Allen has thrown such a ball Sunday and say Zay went high up there to make the catch, what we’d be reading from some here is how it was a horrible throw, that Zay saved Allen, that he should have seen a different guy open, etc. , etc. and that just gets to the point where criticism gets overblown. QBs aren’t perfect. And younger QBs more so.

Yes, because that has been their regime including the owner and HC. Robert Kraft doesn’t run his organization the same way as did Billy Sullivan. Nor does Belicheat do what say Ray Berry did as their HC. McD and Beane have their philosophy of constructing a team. It is different than what say Lou or Marv did. Terry has a different ownership approach than Ralph. To say the Bills have bad actors in the past is immaterial to what the current guys are doing. Just as it is immaterial that past coaches or owners of the Pats to my knowledge never reached out to put a guy like AB on their roster. What matters is what Belicheat and Kraft are doing. And they brought this guy on (and Belicheat is getting roasted for his typical non-answer stuff about it today). I like what the current guys are doing. That’s what’s relevant.

Shaw’s point is about the current regime. I wish people would not lump different owners/GMs/HCs together.

I’m in Shaw’s camp on this, and recognize opposing views. I was actually thinking about this tonight, on the way to church ironically, and what I would do as an owner if my GM came to me about having AB on the team. And I would say no, that I respect my fan base and the women of all ages in that base too much to bring someone in accused of such a thing.

I appreciate the effort. Since it’s subjective you’ll get people agreeing and disagreeing which is the fun part of the board.

That is why I said we have to wait for the investigation. Do I side more with women in this situation in general? Yes.

I totally agree with this. I guess we differ on the verb used. By playing he is learning, and we saw it Sunday. Better at going through progressions, better a taking the short completion, etc. I watched the first half again yesterday and he threw two inaccurate balls, one where he missed wide to Beasley and the one where he was too long to Zay. Other than that every throw (excluding throwaways and the second int with the tip) was right there. But the naysayers seem to have watched a different game. I cannot believe how many folks here and in the media talk about a terrible first half, how he was inaccurate, etc. Unlucky maybe, but terrible and inaccurate? No. Believe it or not but one person criticized the throw to Sweeney down the right sideline. That was an absolutely perfect throw. If people are going to criticize that then it's just silly.

Then don't. I think something bad happened, but we'll have to wait and see what the investigations tell us.

True to a degree. But I would argue that he should be aggressive more from the pocket on a throw like that, where he can get his feet set and really rifle the ball. On the play in question he was scrambling and threw awkwardly; he may have a big arm but you won't make that throw consistently into coverage under those circumstances. And in a tight ball game you don't want to give up points because of it. I am very high on Allen, just that he needs some refinement still, some balance between hero ball and Edwards ball. I think he'll figure it out. And

More than the number of games Allen has played. Go back and look at Manning and Aikman their rookie years. I'm not sure how old you are; I admit to being an old fart around here. But that also brings with it an appreciation of history. It used to be QBs got time to learn before being thrown into the fire. Now days with the Internet, 24/7 everything, drive through Starbucks, etc. the younger generation thinks everything should be the way they want right now. That's not the way playing QB in the NFL works, then or now.

McD gets criticized a lot around here for the culture thing, but I have never worked for a successful organization that did not have an established culture, a mindset by which the organization does its work. I have worked for problematic organizations who did not have that kind of mentality. To me when the players talk about playing Bill's football they are referring to the culture McD is establishing. That's a good thing.

I agree. But Allen has to learn his arm isn’t that good to try and make that throw when scrambling. DBs are too quick to the ball.

I believe I said we need to see what happens with the investigations, correct?

I have two daughters. I hear what happens to some of their friends. Not to the extent claimed in the AB case but I side on the womens’ side until proven wrong. The league has to look into this, as do the authorities. And we’ll see what happens.

Questionable decision on the first one, may have seen the penalty and took a free shot the second one. But guess what? You can call them picks all you want but they weren’t. should we say the two picks weren’t because they bounced off someone’s hand and luckily bounced into the hands of a Jet?

Not on the league or si websites?

I just rewatched the first half. taking away a couple throwaways, Allen missed two passes. One shirt to Beasley on the right side and the long throw down the left side to Jones (although the latter wasn’t so much a miss as putting it where only Jones could get it. Singletary dropped a ball, the called back pick was maybe an ill advised throw but right on target, and he threw one at Singletary’s feet when Morse got the illegal downfield penalty. Every other throw including the pick 6 was right on his targeted receiver. So he did not struggle. He had some lousy luck.

Both he and Mcdaniel are classic examples of coordinators who have no business trying to be head coaches.

There is no way Gase survives the N.Y. media.

One of the things that irritate me is that if you have a QB that takes the short throw a lot (Edwards??), folks clamor for him to take more shots downfield and they’ll be OK with interceptions. But then when you have a QB that takes those shots, nope. They should check it down more. That said, Allen needs to learn his arm isn’t strong enough to throw past NFL defenders when scrambling like that.

My apologies for being too strident. I am referring to opinions and not the person but I should tamp it down. It seems to me that some around here place unrealistic expectations on our QB. When a pass hits a WR right in the hands, and yet you blame the QB, that is unreasonable. The reason I ask if people watch the games is, if one does and really looks at each pass from this last game, Allen was right there on the vast majority of throws. Yet he still gets this inaccuracy stuff. I did the same for his last couple games last year as did others here and we agreed he was on target, his inaccuracy was overblown. If you watch the game from Sunday I would estimate over 80% of targeted throws (non-throwaways) were on target.. All offseason all we heard is his completion percentage being under 60%. Sunday was 65%, and what happens? Look for other things to pick on. You say he had a hand in four turnovers. That is far from saying he was responsible. Again when you hit an NFL WR in the hands it is not right to put it on him. When a guy tips a ball and it becomes a free for all that is a great play by the defender. And so on. I will refer you to my longer comments a page or two back. He made some mistakes as all young QBs fo. But it is becoming increasingly apparent to me that, for some, Allen will never be good enough. And I can only assume it’s because they were disappointed when he was drafted and refuse to have that opinion be altered.

We will simply have to disagree on the snap being where it needed to be. And it wasn’t Peterman.