oldmanfan

I'd hate to be in commercial real estate once this ends. My bet is there will be a lot of vacant office space as many businesses realize the value of virtual meetings, etc.

I disagree. I point to the inspectors general issue and whistleblower issues. There is supposed to be oversight by Congress. When it is ignored or violated that is a problem. And the fact that you have some more true republicans in my view, such as Grassley and Romney, saying that gives it credence. When Congress oversteps its boundaries it should be reined in. But so should the Executive branch. Trump to my mind does not want to be reined in whatsoever, and that is dangerous.

I agree with the concepts of peace and prosperity. And presidents on both sides of the aisle have been better or worse at those. But my biggest concern right now is the future of our democracy and the concepts of a three part system of government as established by the framers. I think an objective look at what's going on indicates that Trump wants to be a dictator more than president. I feel that is dangerous to the survival of the republic.

A honest question that deserves an honest answer. I want Trump gone because I think he is totally unqualified for the position. I think he lies repeatedly about things, I think he is anything but a fiscal conservative, I think he refuses to accept responsibility for things under his presidency, highlighted by the coronavirus issue. I think if you read through the Muller report that Muller wanted to indict but felt he could not due to DOJ guidelines. And if you look at things like the inspectors general and such it seems clear to me that Trump does not want to be president. He wants to be king or, worse, a dictator. And to me we had a revolution back in the 1700's to fight against that. You ask why then I would support Obama. Well, I didn't. I voted for McCain (and prayed he'd be healthy so we did not have to have another supremely unqualified individual in Palin in the office). I did not think Obama had the qualifications to be elected in 2008, and I was not a fan of his fiscal policies, and I really disagreed with his foreign policy. Drawing a red line and then stepping back in Syria was the height of weakness. In 2012 I thought Romney would have been a good president, and I lost again. I still think Romney would be good. And I think Romney being good is reflected in part that he thinks Trump is bad. I am independent, very conservative on issues such as fiscal policy and law and order, much more liberal in terms of social policies. I have two daughters and having a serial abuser like Trump in the White House makes me angry. I think our country is better than that. I think our country deserves better leadership than that. I know this side of the board is populated by the Deep State conspiracists, the right wings folks (not Republicans, I think the concept of the Republican party as the party I knew it and once belonged to disappeared in 2016). So I suspect my thoughts here will be denigrated, and that's part of the problem. I think this country desperately needs to unite again, to be able to have political discourse and political disagreement without resorting to childish name calling, and, worse, making up stories out of whole cloth to try and tear down the other side. What I would ask is really, really simple: if the parties were flip flopped, and you had a Democrat in the office behaving the way Trump is doing so now, would your views change? I would say yes to most everyone here. The very things one defends about Trump would have had the same folks calling for Obama's head and screaming impeachment if the opposite party had done so. And vice versa for democrats if Obama were a Republican. If Obama were a Republican, and McConnell pulled the stuff with Garland as a Democrat, the same folks who defended it would have screamed bloody murder. This tribalization, polarization, and inability to see things through the opposite side of the prism is going to destroy this country, because everyone knows that the extremes on both sides of the political spectrum will never get what they want. Because they don't have enough votes to do so. we have a national crisis right now. In times of crisis (other than the Civil War) the country has historically come together; this time it is drawing the country further apart. We can't stand for this much longer without losing what made our country great. So you asked, there's my answer. I hope you can have a civil discourse about it. Regrettably I suspect not.

He’ll have to be huge to pass Butler on my list. Butler may have topped the list if he hadn’t gotten hurt

Did I say anything about the media? No. Any time anyone takes a drug they should do so after consultation with a physician. Don't twist my words into some kind of negative.

https://onlinelibrary.wiley.com/doi/10.1111/1756-185X.13842 A meta-analysis of current data indicates no data on prophylactic effect of the drug on Covid. Some interesting pre-clinical data but studies on prophylactic effect including side effects and such need to be done. They have one going on in the Detroit area from what I've read. Be interesting to see that data. People should talk to their doctor, weight benefits and risks, and make informed decisions. Doctors can prescribe off-label if they want. The benefits to those with a Covid diagnosis are not there based on the available data, and the risks of cardiac effects are real.

When he played for the Broncos. Not when he played for us. I might bump Evans off in favor of Stevie J though

One of the good ones. Sorry to hear of his passing.

I would say it this way: I trust my neighbor cares enough about me to follow precautions, and my neighbor can trust me to do the same.

What is needed right now is for the country and it’s people to pull together and not apart.

Of course. Let’s not trust anyone. That will help us beat the virus.

Same to you my friend.

I would disagree some if your conclusions and would welcome discussing off line. Doing so here would invite hyperbolic responses instead of real dialog.

We can both open up businesses AND wear masks, distance and such. No harm no foul either way.

Hey my fellow old man, hope all is well with you. To your point, when you have a new virus of apparent high infectivity and with no vaccine, you have to err on the side of caution.

Stop with the agenda stuff, please, and let's discuss rationally. This virus can be carried by those asymptomatic and is transmitted by droplets. The idea behind wearing masks is to help the wearer from spreading droplets. The masks do not completely prevent, they help. Distancing does not completely prevent, it helps. And so on. These policies have helped hold things down, they don't prevent. They help while we get to a vaccine and more effective treatments. I would agree wit h a liability waiver And if I were a company I'd go with the recommended precautions.

Going back to work and precautions are not mutually exclusive. And your mask study is from 2015. The CDC right now on their site has about 7 different newer studies supporting mask use. Open businesses with distancing, masks, washing hands. Do both. No reason not to.

1. Reed 2. Moulds 3. Butler 4. Lofton 5. Rashad 6. Duby 7. Chandler 8. Evans 9. Lewis 10. Hill

Youth is wasted on the young. Wake up call for the young man.

You all have fun. I come over on this side of the board every so often just to see how the weird kids over In the corner of the playground are behaving, and sometimes I can’t resist jumping in. I’ll be returning to the sanity of real life now.

No man is above the law. Bedrock principle of our country. To argue that is inane. Innocent until proven guilty. Another bedrock principal. The prosecutors look at the evidence, they think it’s enough to charge they charge. Prosecutors have to make their case and prove your guilt. You as defendant make your case. Doesn’t matter who it is president or not, Trump, Obama, George Washington, could care less which President. Presidents cannot escape being accountable to the law. And prosecutors must make their case. You hold a president above the law they’re called kings. Or dictators.

Your statement changes nothing. No man is above the law. Including our leaders. If he is innocent then fine. If he's guilty fine.

No one is the country is above the law. Should be simple. If his records show nothing then he's got nothing to worry about.

Never have read their stuff, don’t care what they say